This has been discussed many times. A search can do wonders...RadRob:
http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=119325&highlight=insurance
http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=86292&highlight=insurance
DAN gets attacked by commercial spammer
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Disagreements between Health Care Providers and Health Care Insurers are hardly astonishing. Think of the number of Doctors, Dentists, Specialists, and Hospitals who are feuding with Healthcare Insurers in the US over what constitutes "reasonable and customary costs". Healthcare Insurance is approaching a crisis in the US, likely to be only exacerbated by the aging of the boomers.RoatanMan:
It isn't astonishing either that a medical response provider would be feuding with an insurance agency over "reasonable and customary costs" in Mexico.
I tend to agree with you, however, that taking to the "court of public opinion" is unlikely to be in the best interest of resolving the issue to both parties' satisfaction.
From that point of view, Mauricio Moreno's "firing a shot across DAN's bow" with an inflammatory press release may backfire, or fail to achieve the effect it was intended to produce.
Pressure works both ways.
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Got the same e-mail from MedicalHyperbarics.com <cdammert@medicalhyperbarics.com>
Supposedly Subaquatic Safety Services operates chambers in Cozumel, Mexico, *Playa Del Carmen, Mexico, Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, Ambergris Caye, Belize, *Nassau, Bahamas, Florida Keys & Phuket, Thailand?
Spoke to a DAN rep today after reading their press release response on DAN's website. I was told that if you need a chamber that DAN will work with the chamber operator or Medivac the patient to a chamber that will work with DAN insurance without any out of pocket expenses. For the cost of Medivacing a patient I think they would rather pay the chamber fees even if they are a higher price then what is reasonable & customary. A bent diver should get the quickest medical care available.
Just a quick follow-up from a dive operation in the Galapago's
"For all our divers, we are asking for a voluntary contribution of $35, as we are very fortunate to have a new Hyperbaric Chamber installated in Galapagos operated by SSS (Subaquatic Safety Services) that provides top quality medical assistance with their Recompression Chamber Network around the globe and will contribute to the proper maintenance and operation of this recompression center."
How much support do you think the diving community will now give to a private company for the chamber in the Galapagos Islands?
Supposedly Subaquatic Safety Services operates chambers in Cozumel, Mexico, *Playa Del Carmen, Mexico, Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, Ambergris Caye, Belize, *Nassau, Bahamas, Florida Keys & Phuket, Thailand?
Spoke to a DAN rep today after reading their press release response on DAN's website. I was told that if you need a chamber that DAN will work with the chamber operator or Medivac the patient to a chamber that will work with DAN insurance without any out of pocket expenses. For the cost of Medivacing a patient I think they would rather pay the chamber fees even if they are a higher price then what is reasonable & customary. A bent diver should get the quickest medical care available.
Just a quick follow-up from a dive operation in the Galapago's
"For all our divers, we are asking for a voluntary contribution of $35, as we are very fortunate to have a new Hyperbaric Chamber installated in Galapagos operated by SSS (Subaquatic Safety Services) that provides top quality medical assistance with their Recompression Chamber Network around the globe and will contribute to the proper maintenance and operation of this recompression center."
How much support do you think the diving community will now give to a private company for the chamber in the Galapagos Islands?
It sounds to me like there may be a business opportunity in Cozumel. 
There is some competition but their clientele would seem to be interested in an alternative vendor...
There is some competition but their clientele would seem to be interested in an alternative vendor...
RadRob
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El Orans:
Thanks for the tip on searches I already did. Everything that comes up is how good DAN is and the only opposing argument is whether to have insurance at all. Of the people here that say DAN is terrible, I wanted their preferred insurance carrier.
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A few years ago a newspaper in the SE part of the US printed several allegations concerning the D.A.N. organization. Issues were raised about the profit/non-profit sides of the organization and who was benefitting. I like the idea of D.A.N. but have no idea of the breakdown of fees received from services, etc. vs research funding. Are these supposed to be available for a non-profit organization? Am I becoming some kind of supporter with my dues and therefore entitled to some transparencey of the books? It's not like a commercial endeavor where I would need to keep corporate secrets from my competitors is it? Who are these people on the organizational chart and why is the marketing services person and ceo/president sharing the same last name?
Like RadRob I would like to know some alternative organizations and insurance possibilities. IMHO
Like RadRob I would like to know some alternative organizations and insurance possibilities. IMHO
What a timely issue. Today I went to visit my local dive shop to pick up one of those mesh dive bags that you can put in almost everything you need for a dive. I told my dive shop guy that I'm going to playa in a few weeks and he told me about the email that he got about Dan on this subject.
Of course I am smart enough to go to this site thinking that if something wa up with Dan that it would probably be here, and it is. After reading the news release I am a little more at ease about the situation.
Of course I am smart enough to go to this site thinking that if something wa up with Dan that it would probably be here, and it is. After reading the news release I am a little more at ease about the situation.
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That's why I also went to the corporate registration database, and check the business side if things.
As you have said, many coporations do not have web presences, but legimate corporations maintain proprer licensing, and file reports, etc.
The one who release this information, does not appearto follow these standards.
But as you have said, and I have agreed with, checking out the individual chambers, and ensuring that one is adequately covered is the best way to go.
A pox on the house of any individual or corporation who causes a patient to suffer needlessly, in order to squeeze money out of the injured, while awaiting relief and treatment.
We are not seeing a dispute over charges not being paid, rather, we are seeing a dispute over excessive charges being levied. From what I have read here and elsewhere, that pox belongs on the house of Mauricio Moreno and his corporation.
We are not seeing a dispute over charges not being paid, rather, we are seeing a dispute over excessive charges being levied. From what I have read here and elsewhere, that pox belongs on the house of Mauricio Moreno and his corporation.
..and wheres the evidence backing up that claim over the alternative, DAN (america only) refusing to pay the charges for treatment in a timely manner?
I havent seen anything to support either side of the story so far.
I havent seen anything to support either side of the story so far.
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