Creation vs. Evolution

[H2Andy]

no offense at all

i was just saying, we're doing just fine talking about religion on this thread

 

[Soggy]

I think the Nods are doing a great job!

Way to go, Nods!!!!!!!

 

[wilkie]

Ok Doc,and good job on the mods, and ok Andy, glad we don't have to weak up early, but why allow such a volitle subject in the first place??

 

[bwerb]

Because if people can discuss something intelligently and enjoy the open discourse, why not? What harm is there?

 

[wilkie]

Ok so what do you think/know about the afterlife?

I've been in touch with the "departed" on several ocasions, how about you?, I'm quite sure that what we call life is not the end of existence, but this flies in the face of "science"

 

[H2Andy]

well.. i personally think once you're dead, that's it

wish it were different ... but i suspect it isn't

there are some phenomena that are observed which people think of as manifestations of an "afterlife" but i think that's pretty much pseudo-science

won't know for sure 'til i die, right?

 

[AXL72]

Ok so what do you think/know about the afterlife?

I've been in touch with the "departed" on several ocasions, how about you?, I'm quite sure that what we call life is not the end of existence, but this flies in the face of "science"

It's awesome, man!!!

I have been there 12 times already, and then had to end the lil vacation by being re-incarnated.

I Highly recommend it

 

[sandjeep]

faith based?

it don't take faith to know what happened at Auschwitz is wrong, and to say, "that should never happen again."

it don't take faith to know what happened in that Amish school today is wrong, and to say, "that shouldn't happen again"

or are you so morally blind that it takes a God to tell you those things are wrong?

Soggy has stated that he is an atheist. I point out that it is a Faith based belief simply because soggy is not all knowing-all seeing ect. So the one place he can not see, is where God is.

Sorry, not as clear as I would like it to be as no coffee yet.

I would like to reply to some of your posts tonight, out of time this AM.

 

[MikeFerrara]

I find the idea of a god who sees no difference in snitching a piece of gum and killing 6,000,000 people to simply not be credible. I feel a little sorry for people who share such a poor standard.

I don't think that's an accurate description of the standard. Maybe if we had a person who was PERFECT, except for having snitched one piece of gum, he might have a fairly easy time smoothing things over with God. But...

The question that I have is, can that person exist? The Bible says that all have sined (missed the standard) and tells us what the standard is. Does that person who only snitched one piece of gum love God with all their heart sole and mind, love his neighbor as himself and has he never felt any anger, lust, pride or jealousy in his heart? Isn't it hard to believe that a person so pure, who loves God and his neighbor so much could covet a piece of gum? I think this person who lifted the gum must have some real issues.

Is the person whos faith and love is tested by a huge fortune worse than the one whos faith and love is so small and weak that it's tested by a piece of gum? I can cover this poor wretch for the cost of the gum, but only Christ can cover him for the failings in his heart.

Both of these people start in the same place. They are spiritually dead in sin and trespass and living according to the flesh. To gain eternal life with God, they must both do the same. They must be reborn in the Spirit and belong to Christ, at which point, they both appear blameless before God. Not on their own merit but on the merit of Jesus Christ.

You think it's a poor standard because you're looking at the value of the gum but the Bible says that things born of the flesh are of the flesh and things born of the spirit are of the spirit. God looks at things of the spirit. Until one is reborn in the Spirit of God, there isn't anything there...it's dead like dry bones. As a heap of dead dry bones, it doesn't matter what we do...good bad or indifferent...no matter whether we take a pack of gum or give a pack of gum, steal a fortune or give a fortune. A dead heap of dried bones is not a candidate for eternal life with God unless something happens to bring it to life.

 

[Hank49]

HOWEVER, these flaws reflect the human portrayal of an epic figure. If we look at the big picture, Christianity as a philosophy that has evolved over the centuries has been the most beneficial to human progress and happiness. Given the oppressive nature of some other paradigms, it will be apparent that Christ indeed did save humankind, but in a way far more complex and interesting than conventional Biblical mythologies suggest.

great post. I'm obviously not as well read as you but this is some good stuff. Thanks