Creation vs. Evolution

[sandjeep]

Personal!!??, Andy's gone way above that!!! He called me a rookie!!!,,arghhhh!! MODS!,MODS!! Arrest him!!! --sandjeep rolls on floor having a walled eyed fit--

sorry, I was having a silly moment, its been one of those days.

 

[H2Andy]

hey you admited to landing on your nogging



here's a pretty decent definition of a theory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

 

[lamont]

Transitional fossils have yet to be found.

Incorrect.

Read _The Blind Watchmaker_, much of the argument there is over transitional fossils. Also read the last dozen times someone brought up Transitional fossils in this thread, it is not a new argument. Also the wikipedia article on this isn't bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossils

 

[lamont]

Despite this reply to my post, it is not possible to categorically reject these statements. At least not scientifically.

Yup, it is possible to categorically and scientifically reject your statements. Watch me.

 

[Bryan]

hey you admited to landing on your nogging



here's a pretty decent definition of a theory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

A scientific Law is a readily demonstrable fact, that cannot be disproven.

A scientific theory is a hypothesis that has been rigorously tested, and not found faulty, usually also having been found somewhat useful.

A scientific hypothesis (and I stress the difference between "hypothesis" and "theory") is an educated guess; it is nothing more than a speculation that can be tested.

 

[Bryan]

Yup, it is possible to categorically and scientifically reject your statements. Watch me.

You can try

 

[Soggy]

Triangles in warped space actually violate it -- the angles of a triangle in a gravitational field will not perfectly add up to 180 degrees --- but you need to be talking about some fairly warped space before it can be measured (i'm not certain if we can measure the deviation from 180 degrees for, say, the bending of space at the orbit of mercury or not...)

You got me there . There are also particles that need to rotate 540 degrees or 720 degrees in order to be back where they started. That stuff is weird. I love it.

 

[Warthaug]

My first impressions are that in exodus we're reading commands given to Hebrews about Hebrew servants. These weren't captured slaves. There were various ways that one could end up a slave but it looks like most had to do with a debt. A person could sell their own services, they could give themselves into service to cover a debt or they might "sell" a child if they could not provide for them thus insuring their survival. The laws in Exodus, governed those master/servant relations.

The passeges I quoted deal with the subject of Hebrew slaves exclusivly. Other sections of the old testament deal with non-Hebrew slaves, and those are a little less kind and less clear. For example, in Judges 21 the Israelites capture a bunch of girls and force them to become their wives. There are other places in the old testament where the Israelites take slaves (usually after a war), but the exact rules about treating then are a little vague.

I think the New Testament, not only addresses that slavery but slavery was common in the Roman and Greek cultures and the slaves were just property (real slaves). The new Testament advice to servants may have been given to those real slaves. The slaves being jews (some being Christians) but the masters possibly Romans (or Greeks?). Notice how all the verses that you quoted are all for servants and none for masters.

There are a few sections on how masters should treat their slaves, mostly in the old testament. Here's my favorite:

Exodus 21:20
"If someone beats his slave and the slave dies at his hands he shall certainly be avenged. But should the slave survive for one day or two he will pay no penalty because the slave is his owner's property."

Pretty funny; if you kill 'em outright you get it s*it. But if you make sure they suffer for a few days you get off scott free.

Bryan

 

[H2Andy]

A scientific Law is a readily demonstrable fact, that cannot be disproven.

not exactly. a law is a summary observation of strictly empirical matters. basically, it says HOW something has been observed to happen for the past gizillion years or whatever, and it assumes it will continue to happen that way.

it doesn't explain WHY it happens.

that's what a theory does.

so you see, your basic understanding of these matters is somewhat flawed

 

[wilkie]

Dear Nods:

Although I have read nany pages of this thread, and for the most part it has not become Hostile, I question the allowence of discussion of this topic...

You disallow political topics, which I understand, decause discussion leads to bebate....et.al...............CAT FIGHT

But you allow religious topics???????????? whitch lead to the same thing.

I do not think that you want to polerise your menbership, but this kind of thread is a real quick way to acomplish that.

Take heed if you will, from the sucessfull fraternities, and ban politics & religion as a topic of debate. No good can be had from the viewpoints of zelots, and this is the word that you will recieve in this type of thread.

I'm not here to flame annyone, I'm just saying : If you want to talk Politics, Talk to people who want to hear it, the conversion process is long, hard, and tough, and it might get your nose bent in the process....The same, or perhaps a bit worse with Religon!

ScubaBoard is a great place to learn, and share information, I for one (and I do not expect this opion to be popular) do not think that this thread has any place on this website.

End of sermon.....FLAME ON