Considering PADI master diver

[Divedoggie]

If any thread cracks the door open for an opportunity to give a condescending view of various agencies, then the same old people jump right in and start attacking.:light:

The poor guy who started the thread can't even get a straight answer due to the need of some people to demean others in order to give themselves an ego boost.

How long are you supposed to keep training wheels on a bike when teaching your kids how to ride?
Some people will keep those training wheels on for 2 years no matter what, and rig up a harness leash system with multiple airbags, controlling every move.
Others may forego training wheels, give some instruction, and give the kid a push.
In the end, kids learn how to ride bikes!

Track records prove that the various SCUBA teaching systems and philosophies all work! The climb to moral higher agency ground, by some people, is such a turn off. Who would ever want to dive with you overbearing people?

You know who you are. Your so vain! I bet you think this song is about you!

 

[Divedoggie]

Should somebody go for a Master Diver rating?

Its great for some people. If they have a limited local diving environment, the PADI specialties give local dives more meaning. Various tasks are performed, and everyone learns something.
Next time they go on a dive vacation, they will be more confident and skilled in the areas of their specialties.
The Master Diver card is a recognition of accomplishments and a job well done.

What is the value of learning?

There is always a value. Its a personal choice as to how much that is.

Experience is ultimately the greatest teacher. Get that Master Diver rating and feel inspired to continue diving and gaining experience.
Or
Just keep diving and gaining experience until you know in your soul that you are great at your craft!
Either or both ways; Just enjoy doing it!

 

[MikeFerrara]

If any thread cracks the door open for an opportunity to give a condescending view of various agencies, then the same old people jump right in and start attacking.:light:

Some of us just don't think much of agency standards and think there are things about those standards that divers should be made aware of. I admit, I attack agency standards whenever I see fit to do so.

The poor guy who started the thread can't even get a straight answer due to the need of some people to demean others in order to give themselves an ego boost.

I disagree. I think he got some very straight answers. Answers that included much information that the student isn't likely to get from the agency or from someone selling the certifications. It's not ego. It's disgust with what some of the agencies are peddling as training.

Track records prove that the various SCUBA teaching systems and philosophies all work!

I disagree here too and that's just the point. Many of the agencies use methods that demonstrable DON'T work. That's exactly the point.

The climb to moral higher agency ground, by some people, is such a turn off. Who would ever want to dive with you overbearing people?

You know who you are. Your so vain! I bet you think this song is about you!

I doubt anyone was trying to turn you on. LOL but in all the thread your post seems to be more demeaning of the opinions of others than any.

some of us discuss agency standards based on the actual content of the standards. You apparently don't feel up to a discussion of standards so you resort to insults using terms like overbearing, vain and ego.

That's a little overbearing of you, don't you think?

 

[MikeFerrara]

The Master Diver card is a recognition of accomplishments and a job well done.

Each individual course results in a certification which should be recognition of a job well done. The Master Scuba Diver card is a card purchased over and above any certificate of training completion.

 

[Divedoggie]

The point of the thread was not about agency standards, and its not the place to discuss agency standards. Why go there?
Do you want to convince people on a posting board to switch political parties? Impossible, yet we still have a wonderful country.
The spirit of the thread was whether or not its worth it to pursue a PADI Master Diver rating.

I never named you as the guy causing trouble, but you sure jumped right in and claimed to be that guy. Maybe now, the original poster can have a little better perspective.

 

[MikeFerrara]

The point of the thread was not about agency standards, and its not the place to discuss agency standards. Why go there?
Do you want to convince people on a posting board to switch political parties? Impossible, yet we still have a wonderful country.
The spirit of the thread was whether or not its worth it to pursue a PADI Master Diver rating.

A discussion of whether or not to pursue MSD would naturally include a discussion of what it is. Of course these conversations wander a bit which is pretty natural for any conversation.

I never named you as the guy causing trouble, but you sure jumped right in and claimed to be that guy.

I didn't claim to be anyone but I did want to point out that it was you who was bashing the opinions of others and doing so on the basis of what you asserted their personality traits to be rather than on the content of those opinions.

While we're on the subject of personality traits, if you wanted to call someone "overbearing" or "vain" and if you "had any", you would name the person rather than sniping at the crowd.

Maybe now, the original poster can have a little better perspective.

Lets hope so.

 

[SparticleBrane]

To offer my opinion in answer to the OP's question--the PADI master diver cert is a complete waste of your life. Just go diving instead.

 

[Thalassamania]

To offer my opinion in answer to the OP's question--the PADI master diver cert is a complete waste of your life. Just go diving instead.

Succinct, to the point, and complete accurate, but your bashing poor PADI!:no

 

[josh]

I disagree here too and that's just the point. Many of the agencies use methods that demonstrable DON'T work. That's exactly the point.

Sorry, but I don't think that statement can be just thrown out there and left. On exactly *what* do you base that statement? Accident/mortality rates? Diver drop out? Your personal opinion that most divers "just are not good enough"?

As far as I am aware, diver accident mortality rates do NOT bear out that agency training methods do not work. There are what? Millions of certified divers? Tens of thousands (?) of active divers divers diving each week and accident/mortalities are *rare*.

On behalf of some people, there seems to be a hugely elitist attitude. Unless some one can free dive to 50 meters, assemble their gear at depth, do the whole dive with their mask off and *still* have three quarters of a tank left at the end of the dive - then they are just not REAL divers....

Sorry, but to me, diving is about introducing people to a "new world", and to do that as safely as possible. Too many people here seem to forget that simple idea.
-j-

 

[SparticleBrane]

but your bashing poor PADI!:no

I'm more than certain that PADI has suckered zillions of people out of their well earned money, paying for useless "specialty" courses that should have been included in basic OW.

Bashing? Yes. Their standards are low enough to easily facilitate bashing.
"PADI: Dedicated to the relentless pursuit of mediocrity."