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interested in opinions on what might be more suitable resort for my next trip. 2 couples...my brother and I both dive, my wife does too but my brothers wife does not and has no interest in it. My brother and I are down with diving multiple times per day...my wife, maybe 3 dives for the week.

The wives prefer to hang by a pool or beach and sip cocktails all day or enjoy a spa day. Neither are too adventurous (although they both do like to adventure out with our Credit cards and shop).

We’ve never been to the Bay Islands and are excited about going. Any help and recommendations are welcomed. We are not set to choose just between AKR and CCV ...they are just the only two we’ve ever heard of and those 2 are recommended by our LDS.
 
Cocoview does Not have a pool if that's an issue for the wives. No beach either. AKR has a small beach on the Key which is also where their pool is.

For the shopping etc, the West End is about 5mins by cab from AKR. They might enjoy some of the dolphin encounters also.

CCV is not really near much - in fact friends who stayed there had the resort set up a shopping day - they sent them to the West End which I believe is about 1/2 hr. by cab so maybe $40-50? Every cab ride is negotiable if you ask. I once had a driver ask me what I wanted to pay.

Really for touristy type stuff the north side (west) is better. There's some gardens near AKR, Gumbalimba Park (zipline) in West Bay and for day excursions the water taxi runs around that area. IDK if they pickup as far east as AKR though. Most of the good bars are in the West End also. We liked Sundowners a lot - right on the water and chairs placed so you can soak your feet.

West Bay Beach which is the nicest on Roatan is 2 mi west of the West End. Lots of nice resorts on the beach there. The cruise excursions go there also - usually centered near Bananarama since they promote it.

For more $$ and a nicer, newer resort - Barefoot Cay offers everything on your list. Villa's on a small islet, the pool, the spa, the restaurant. On the shore side is the dive operation. The villa's can be configured to suit your needs - they can lockout parts of them. It's all pretty nice, the chef will even cook a special meal in your villa on request. They spray/rake the beach so you can use it without getting bit - we could tell when we walked over to the palapa once. The water inside the fringing reef only gets to about 15' deep.

Since they have full kitchens two of the major markets are 5mins away in French Harbor - most cab drivers will wait while you shop. We personally did not rent a car because the West End is very walkable but you may want to if the ladies are planning excursions.

It's a longish walk to French Harbor fron BC which is a locals town with most of the main food stores and regular stores. Npt overly touristy. Coxen Hole a few miles away is an OK excursion during the day but mostly there's shops around the cruise port and the older downtown which is mostly locals. Not a good place to be at night.

The recompression chamber is at AKR and the doctor there runs a clinic during the day also.

Some of the West Bay resorts are options but most are resorts qith diving - Infinity Bay has a fabulous pool area for example. Most diving off West Bay is wade out to pangas but there's some good dives under 10mins away. A few of the resorts have docks.

AKR has sort of a shallow average dive off the Key. Actually there's a second shallow muck dive in the channel between the main resort and the Key.

CCV has 2-3 good shore dives, Newman's Wall, the Prince Albert wreck and you can dive the plane wreck which is sort of between there and Fantasy Island,
You can only dive at CCV if you're a guest..

AKR does the cruise dives but you'll almost never see them, they get their own boat and are gone by noon.We did the Dolphin dive there but were staying in the West End.

If they're still offering it, the AKR BOGO is a good deal for the 4 of you. If you were just going to dive - CCV is the place but it sounds like you're not.

Bring something with DEET in it, the sand flies are merciless at dusk - and they bite. We did pretty well with Deep Woods Off. There's also Malaria there so you may want to start that program just b4 you go.
 
Your LDS suggested AKR and CCV because they themselves are divers. They know what’s still being offered on Roatan in 2019, you got the complete list of existing dive resorts. The rest are resorts that offer some diving.

Go to AKR, but do not base your choice on much of the above. I’ve been to both CCV and AKR, I’ve not “heard” or “read”. Done maybe 60 dives with AKR, thousands at CCV.

Of the two, AKR is the more survivable for non-divers.

You are going to Roatan- a place that just recently was as high-adventure dive travel as one could still find in the Caribbean. It has quickly changed into what is now the accepted norm of our backyard swimming hole. Pretty homogenized. My first dive there was 1984, so I have some perspective- still a lot of good diving, just not much being done anymore.

The high percentage of visitors arrive to be on vacation and do some diving, the new Caribbean model. Most “divers” who visit Roatan average out at 4-6 dives a week. These divers utilize the services of the West End day-dive ops. These facilities offer a once-a-week night dive, if enough sign up. They rarely ultimately go out. A lot of vacationing, not much diving. Read the Trip Advisor Forum, it’s approaching the goofiness level of Cozumel heading towards Cancun.

So here you have chosen what is really the last two real-deal dive resorts still hanging on.

Describing CCV is easy: bulk diving, indisputably the lowest cost per dive, and as DiverSteve points out, remote. Remote enough that there are ZERO security problems, leave your watch and camera lying about, unlocked doors. A brilliant 24/7 shore dive, cabanas on stilts over an active reef. Best custom boats with center moonwell access ladders, dive room setup, camera facilities...best in the business.

CCV diving is best suited for brand new student divers and divers of Advanced skill sets, not a great spot for the 20-100 crowd. This is because of the underwater geography and inherent animal life one finds in these specific niche environments. It’s super shallow, vertical Sunny walls....most dives can be enjoyed above 55’. An intact 140’ wreck lies in 50fsw three minutes from your room.

AKR is closer to the bars and distractions of the West End. There is a pool. The resort is quite spread out, necessitating a boat ride to your room to the dive op or food. The food (essentialy the same selection as CCV) is wait-staff served at the restaurant which is 78 steps up the hill. There is a bit of a beach. Their shore dive is theoretical and limited hours availability.

AKR offers excellent dive opportunities for mid level experience divers. You can easily log those 100’+ dives to the tattered deep wrecks. It’s reef structure is darker in shadow, gently sloping and stepped. Due to these features, you will easily tick through your “life list” of the most recognizable Caribbean Pelagics, apex fish, large crustaceans spotting them with ease. It is within the Roatan Marine Park, and many attribute that to the number of fish. Not really, it’s more a result of geography.

As DiverSteve mentions, CCV offers shopping excursions to just past AKR, to the West End. On the other hand, AKR offers to provide diving on CCV’s South side when the West/North gets weathered out. AKR is the single best provider of this service on that side, period. An interesting paragraph above, yes?

The entire BOGO offering by AKR is a silly illusory contrivance. This is most evident when comparing straight one-to-one with CCV rate structure (CCV being the only comp set) With a non-diver in tow, you’re going to get hosed. For two divers, you might come out $120 cheaper, but then again, they are different products.

AKR has evolved its business model to serve the cruise ship horde. You won’t really be bothered by them. But to AKR, that’s their product. The left over infrastructure from their origins as a dive resort is what they’re pricing at 190% of comparable rate and then offering at BOGO. Do not be drawn blindly into the illusion.

Any Roatán visitor can access AKRs Dolphin Encounter thing, the snorkel gives you far greater interaction (your non divers will enjoy it) the “dive” can offer photographers a moment of illusory “in the wild” snapshot. I’ll leave the debating to the tree huggers but AKR seems to take care of their captives very well. AKR was the site of Roatan’s first Casino, no more a success than the other still extant money suckers near the cruise ship dock. Quite a history there at AKR, both in infrastructure and the island politic.

There is now a second medical option on Roatan, quite the upscale facility near French Harbor and the Dixon/Mahogany cruise ship port- not sure of how that’s relevant, just issuing a clarification that will be parroted back later.

Between the two you have selected, you’ve got the very last two actual dive resorts on Roatan, sounds like AKR is your best choice. I say that CCV is the better dive resort, but you’re looking for an acceptable mix for both, and that is indeed AKR.

Next time, pick your wives with greater introspection. Enjoy.
 
As much as it pains me to recommend any where on Roatan but CoCo View, I would not take a non-diver there. If you have to go to Roatan, I would stay in the West End and then dive with day boats. But if I really had to take a non-diver on a Caribbean dive trip, I would recommend somewhere besides Roatan... I can't see why I would ask any non-diver to deal with the no-seeums.
 
Make sure that the accommodations you select at AKR have air conditioning, to help keep out the biting insects, some of their less expensive options do not include AC.

What season are you traveling? There are some Caribbean dive destinations that offer very good diving and better choices for non-diving companions than Roatan and the Bay Islands. The packages will probably be more expensive but the airfare might be cheaper and easier, and you won't need the malaria medicine or vaccines. Bringing bug spray is always a good idea in the tropics, but you probably won't need to constantly coat yourself in DEET in some of these other destinations.

A few of these other options include Curacao, St. Croix, and Grand Cayman.

A word of advice, when you are comparison shopping for resort and dive packages make sure that you include any extras in the total costs - like taxes, transfers, service charges, resort fees, etc. Sometimes the listed prices include these items but other times they are add-ons.

Have fun!
 
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AKR is the more survivable for non-divers.
Which are who I tried to tailor my post towards.
 
If you are set on Roatan, you could also consider Turquoise Bay. My wife and I had a nice visit in the summer Turquoise Bay Resort/Subway Watersports August 2017 If you plan on winter, I hear the diving has to be relocated to the south side due to sea conditions sometimes, that would take the fun out of it. Nice pool, OK beach, drinks included with AI. We did not have much trouble with insects on our visit. Subway Watersports is a good operator, 3 dives per day, one night dive, no shore diving. Quite a way from West End. We took an island tour on our last afternoon when we weren't diving
 
CCV diving is best suited for brand new student divers and divers of Advanced skill sets, not a great spot for the 20-100 crowd. This is because of the underwater geography and inherent animal life one finds in these specific niche environments. It’s super shallow, vertical Sunny walls....most dives can be enjoyed above 55’. An intact 140’ wreck lies in 50fsw three minutes from your room.

Hey @Doc, can you explain more why you think CCV is not a great spot for the 20 -100 crowd? I’m just at about 100 dives and would like go to CCV. Just trying to understand what you mean, that’s all.
 
Hey @Doc, can you explain more why you think CCV is not a great spot for the 20 -100 crowd? I’m just at about 100 dives and would like go to CCV. Just trying to understand what you mean, that’s all.

It’s pretty abstract and nowhere set in stone.

A couple of different levels here...

For the noob- the physical infrastructure of the dive “locker” or load-out zones...the spaciousness and ease of movement, a lot of things no one sees because it’s so well designed to keep fumbling to a minimum, the boat access is truly unique and simply not challenging. The shoreside facilities and boats are imagined by noobs as an industry norm. Surprise!

For Seasoned divers, they don’t “need” all that space and ease of traffic flow, but for the divers with serious Level 10 camera gear, the boat no-slosh tanks and separate facilities indoors for cameras, they revel in that.

As to the diving per-se:

The shore dive (Front Yard) easily is the equal to a pool for what otherwise would be the confined water portion of OW. The diving on the South side is in no way “advanced”. I define that advanced word as nothing more than multiple task loading. There is no specific new challenge that can’t be segmented and compartmentalized, handling one new type of task at your own pace. If you’re the odd diver who actually manages to drain his tank, usually at that point you might be well advised to simply stand up.

As to naturalist observations:

The DMs are really good at this. CCV DMs are not hunting Lionfish. They are tasked with herding us cats and finding and pointing out the critters that are niche specific to this geographic environment. You don’t have to follow them, but silly you if you do not.

That there is the first stumbling block to that 20-100 (approx) kind of diver (let’s call them generically “the MIDs”). I’ve found that too many divers in that category want to “explore on their own”, avoiding that lead dive. They have no clue what they are missing.

More than a few MID divers didn’t like CCV because of their yet to be attained level of ease in the water column. They leave knowing that there was no sea life. You can’t know what you don’t know.

Noobs are pretty busy diving. There are enough larger Crustaceans, Apex fish, schooling- even the OW student will likely see one, sometimes invisible due to their overall state of kerfuffle and constructive myopia, but hey- they're diving, satisfying the noob in this clear, no current, shallow environment, very easy.

Those MIDs however- at this point, a high percentage of them have GoPros, or at least a camera the size of a Kardashians tote bag. They have task loaded themselves well ahead of their ability, unbeknownst to them. They are all over finding that Whale Shark, but they will settle for their 15th Barracuda, 6th 17# Parrotfish, a Lobster the size of their forearm. They have heard of Octopuppies and not sure if they’ve seen a Squid.

Most divers grow out of this phase pretty quickly, but if they’re still in “punching through their life list” of critters, you’ll get through that list and maybe that phase a bit quicker on the West End/West North. It’s deeper and darker there, a wee bit of current, so that environment is more to the taste of these larger Pelagics. Ding ding ding, I saw a Bananacuda the size of a canoe!

And like I said, it’s deeper over West/North. This is another inexplicable life goal of most divers, hitting 90’ or 100’ or 140’. This is a “requirement” for 99.78% of all MID type divers. Most W/N dives can offer you 100’ bottoms.

W/N dive sites are obviously in the shadow of the Sunlight. Darker contrast areas are happy places for Apex critters. A bit hard to see, but that’s what works for a hunter. The reef structure is “stepped”, meaning not vertical walls. It gets deep fast. It hits many of the perceived needs of the MID diver.

The MID diver is often real busy with imaging or fiddling with technology, they have simply not yet perfected (perfected!) buoyancy skills. They have not mastered “close up observational skills”. The ability to put their faceplate 6” away from some small critter.

That’s what you need to really enjoy the South side zone, a 5-7 mile stretch that CCV sits in the middle of. The geography: a vertical wall that breaks straight down, starting in 5-30’ from the surface. It bottoms on the first sand shelf at 90’. It faces directly square into the Suns track all day long. Tremendous soft and hard coral growth. This is the incubator nursery for the Ocean. This area is crawling with micro and macro, something every 12”.

Most divers simply can not see these colorful babies hiding in plain sight. Remember, the MIDs are the divers who don’t want to follow that DM. The other thing they prolly haven’t mastered is to s-l-o-w d-o-w-n.

Slower divers, shallower divers, ones that have excellent buoyancy and close up vision (did you bring a magnifying glass?), people who have observed where DMs look, people who ask the DM how to find these rare delights. Ahh- those are the markers of a diver who has that more matured skill set to find real joy in the zone near CCV.

Look at the pro shooters that are showing Roatán macro and actual micro- they’re shooting out of CCV. They already have enough pix of Squirrel Fish.

As I said, the explanation is a bit obtuse, but I’ve found the appeal of the different types of diving to be fairly predictable.
 
It’s pretty abstract and nowhere set in stone.

A couple of different levels here...

For the noob- the physical infrastructure of the dive “locker” or load-out zones...the spaciousness and ease of movement, a lot of things no one sees because it’s so well designed to keep fumbling to a minimum, the boat access is truly unique and simply not challenging. The shoreside facilities and boats are imagined by noobs as an industry norm. Surprise!

For Seasoned divers, they don’t “need” all that space and ease of traffic flow, but for the divers with serious Level 10 camera gear, the boat no-slosh tanks and separate facilities indoors for cameras, they revel in that.

As to the diving per-se:

The shore dive (Front Yard) easily is the equal to a pool for what otherwise would be the confined water portion of OW. The diving on the South side is in no way “advanced”. I define that advanced word as nothing more than multiple task loading. There is no specific new challenge that can’t be segmented and compartmentalized, handling one new type of task at your own pace. If you’re the odd diver who actually manages to drain his tank, usually at that point you might be well advised to simply stand up.

As to naturalist observations:

The DMs are really good at this. CCV DMs are not hunting Lionfish. They are tasked with herding us cats and finding and pointing out the critters that are niche specific to this geographic environment. You don’t have to follow them, but silly you if you do not.

That there is the first stumbling block to that 20-100 (approx) kind of diver (let’s call them generically “the MIDs”). I’ve found that too many divers in that category want to “explore on their own”, avoiding that lead dive. They have no clue what they are missing.

More than a few MID divers didn’t like CCV because of their yet to be attained level of ease in the water column. They leave knowing that there was no sea life. You can’t know what you don’t know.

Noobs are pretty busy diving. There are enough larger Crustaceans, Apex fish, schooling- even the OW student will likely see one, sometimes invisible due to their overall state of kerfuffle and constructive myopia, but hey- they're diving, satisfying the noob in this clear, no current, shallow environment, very easy.

Those MIDs however- at this point, a high percentage of them have GoPros, or at least a camera the size of a Kardashians tote bag. They have task loaded themselves well ahead of their ability, unbeknownst to them. They are all over finding that Whale Shark, but they will settle for their 15th Barracuda, 6th 17# Parrotfish, a Lobster the size of their forearm. They have heard of Octopuppies and not sure if they’ve seen a Squid.

Most divers grow out of this phase pretty quickly, but if they’re still in “punching through their life list” of critters, you’ll get through that list and maybe that phase a bit quicker on the West End/West North. It’s deeper and darker there, a wee bit of current, so that environment is more to the taste of these larger Pelagics. Ding ding ding, I saw a Bananacuda the size of a canoe!

And like I said, it’s deeper over West/North. This is another inexplicable life goal of most divers, hitting 90’ or 100’ or 140’. This is a “requirement” for 99.78% of all MID type divers. Most W/N dives can offer you 100’ bottoms.

W/N dive sites are obviously in the shadow of the Sunlight. Darker contrast areas are happy places for Apex critters. A bit hard to see, but that’s what works for a hunter. The reef structure is “stepped”, meaning not vertical walls. It gets deep fast. It hits many of the perceived needs of the MID diver.

The MID diver is often real busy with imaging or fiddling with technology, they have simply not yet perfected (perfected!) buoyancy skills. They have not mastered “close up observational skills”. The ability to put their faceplate 6” away from some small critter.

That’s what you need to really enjoy the South side zone, a 5-7 mile stretch that CCV sits in the middle of. The geography: a vertical wall that breaks straight down, starting in 5-30’ from the surface. It bottoms on the first sand shelf at 90’. It faces directly square into the Suns track all day long. Tremendous soft and hard coral growth. This is the incubator nursery for the Ocean. This area is crawling with micro and macro, something every 12”.

Most divers simply can not see these colorful babies hiding in plain sight. Remember, the MIDs are the divers who don’t want to follow that DM. The other thing they prolly haven’t mastered is to s-l-o-w d-o-w-n.

Slower divers, shallower divers, ones that have excellent buoyancy and close up vision (did you bring a magnifying glass?), people who have observed where DMs look, people who ask the DM how to find these rare delights. Ahh- those are the markers of a diver who has that more matured skill set to find real joy in the zone near CCV.

Look at the pro shooters that are showing Roatán macro and actual micro- they’re shooting out of CCV. They already have enough pix of Squirrel Fish.

As I said, the explanation is a bit obtuse, but I’ve found the appeal of the different types of diving to be fairly predictable.

@Doc, sorry for the late reply, but thanks for the detailed explanation! I understand what you are saying. Although I am technically a MID diver, based on my dive count, I enjoy slow, shallow dives, love to work on my buoyancy, and love to follow the DM...so I think CCV will be perfect for me! The only thing though, is trying to see small stuff. I need a magnifying glass for sure! Any suggestions? One that's light, preferably, and won't rust?

My husband, on the other hand, does carry a GoPro and is always complaining that things are too small! This was in Raja Ampat. If he is complaining about Raja Ampat, he obviously has issues no one can fix. :shakehead: Where's the BIG stuff, he keeps asking. I'm like, you wanna see BIG stuff, you gotta go to Galapagos, Cocos, etc. Too bad for him LOL. I get to decide where to go. :wink:
 
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