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Choker Clip Solutions...

Discussion in 'Sidemount Diving' started by The Chairman, Jun 1, 2012.

  1. DaleC

    DaleC Solo Diver

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    DA, are you describing a system sort of like this? (I know the bungie is too thick, it's being replaced)

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    I put my harness on and then clip the bungee into place under my armpit via the chest D ring. Then I top clip my tank (Steel 72's) onto the same D ring, bottom clip onto the hip D ring and slip the bungee around the valve. For me it's a super easy system. I do find having the bungie clipped into the chest D ring adds some clutter as I like to clip my light and right hand regulator there too so I have considered either redoing the bungie some way or adding a second D ring above the current chest D ring.
     
  2. JamesK

    JamesK Solo Diver

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    I use the same system as DA except I use double enders on the bungee so I can completely remove them and just let the bungee pull the tank up. I think I have a pic.

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    Ok I can't tell if that photo worked. Damn photobucket mobile.

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  3. DaleC

    DaleC Solo Diver

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    The pic worked fine. I see how the bungies are different.

    Here are a couple of pics showing how my tanks sit when clipped off to the butt plate.

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  4. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

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    The point in having the steel to steel connection is to be able to go off boats without having to worry about losing a tank. The bungees are the traditional way of doing this and the choker clips are an attempt to ameliorate the effects of plunging off of the back of a boat while maintaining enough flex in the system.
     
  5. beanojones

    beanojones Solo Diver

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    Or just be able to lug them around.

    When using the Ring Bungoie type system, it seems like there is a trade off between a hose length that sits comfortably when the tank is at the end of the hard metal connection, and one that sits comfortably when it is on in the water with some typs of regs.

    I assume that this is also somewhat true for other connection systems.

    Side Note: I have to say the more I play with the setups, the more it just makes sense when the long hose is on the left tank and not the right tank, especially when single tank sidemounting, which I only do with a left side tank. PADI's Tech Sidemount, however requires a long hose on the right tank. I talked to them, and said that was a bad choice to specify the tank that had the long hose, but they were standing firm, they said. Their argument seemed to center around a right hose being able to be carried without any tank bungie/inner tube tie down req'd.

    On the other hand, hose A long hose on the left could mean that more length could be deployed for the entry when the tank is hanging low, and that once in the water the hose could be put into the hose wrap bungie/inner tube to eat hose length. It is more of a process to restow the long hose after a drill though.

    I guess this is why some people want a long hose on both sides.

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    I could get the valve end in a more consistent position that way, but that always causes trim problems for Standard 80s for me because the butt will float. With the Nomad Ring Bungie the valve can float too since there is a longer chain of metal in the Nomad Ring Bungie system to allow it float further back.
     
  6. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

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    I am going with two five foot long hoses, one on each tank. I don't need a seven footer, and I like the consistency of both being long.

    BTW, yesterday, I finally figured out how to adjust my sewing machine to stitch these just right. Google and Youtube are a Godsend!
     
  7. beanojones

    beanojones Solo Diver

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    Yeah PADI made the wise choice to allow a five footer, since 7 footers are harder for tropical open water divers even in standard BM with stages because there is nowhere to wrap and not tuck the excess length. I would rather have the odd tank with the inflator hose have the long hose, and the other tanks have 40" hoses. I dive 3 often too, and and long hose can make everything a mess, when it is on the rotated out tank.
     
  8. JamesK

    JamesK Solo Diver

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    With the old school style you still have a hard connection at the top of the tank using the dring and your bolt snap loop that is slipped around the tank neck.

    As far as the long hose goes, I like having it on the right tank on a 7 footer. I loop it once on the tank and then across my chest and around my neck. Are you saying that PADI does nt loop the hose on the tank? Are they using a 5 or 7 foot hose?

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    Well I see you already posted beano. I have no problem with a 7 foot in ow in either back mount or side mount.
     
  9. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

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    I'm not looping around my neck anymore as there is no real need with bungees on the tank, left hose regulators and nifty swivels. That being said, it seems to me that the five foot hose just presents a neater, cleaner as well as easier solution for side mount. I only have two 7 footers and want to find a couple of five footers to play with. :D
     
  10. beanojones

    beanojones Solo Diver

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    The problem with looping a hose around the tank is that when the bottom clip is manipulated it can trap the hose. The 7 footer in BM was, in the old days, always wrapped around the right deco tank (which was never unclipped), but with the switch to Left side/Trail for deco/stage, and the move to changing tank locations, there is all this extra hose to deal with. A five footer can have most of the length eaten by the Hog Loop, for BM doubles, works for single tank BM with a hog loop, and works with SM as a Hog Loop, and then maybe pulling the bottom of the long hose into the inner tubes to eat up the excess.

    Much of what I am working towards is to give tourist divers a maximally useful toolikit. I wish PADI allowed the long hose on the LEFT for that reason. The left tank could then be the long hose, (which could not be hog Looped in SM) and the right would just be a stage/deco reg. If suddenly the diving turned tinto BM with a stage then the main reg goes on the back, and the right (stage) reg goes on a pony.

    I can deal with a 7 foot hose, but it is dealing with it and it never seems an advantage to me. (Then again, I never am in in caves where a can light and a seven foot are both necessary, apparently.) I have to wind a couple of loops under the inner tubes to not have it everywhere even with a hog loop

    7 footers are ridiculous on Japanese. In sidemount, a huge amount of the hose has to be trapped in the inner tube, and even in BM, most Japanese BM tech divers I have dove with just use a 5 or 6 footer anyway, regardless of what standards say. For them, a 7 footer is actually a bit if a hazard, like a nine footer is for average American sized bodies
    because it leaves too much excess.

    (Of course, if by looping you meant tucking into the bungies then....

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    What is your swivel and left hand reg setup?
     

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