carbon monoxide in tanks - cozumel

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"Know what these run?"

I bought the Spectrum CO for about 700 but that was many years ago. I calibrate it periodically to 50 ppm CO. The sensor is still good after over a decade but the tech said it could go at any time.

I will probably go with one of the ones listed above in the future. I like the notion of calibrating for 10 ppm so it is more sensitive in the lower range.
 
Map51, Hello I was on the dive with you. I brought my unconscious Uncle up from 90'... are actual ascent time was 42 seconds from 90'.

First my Uncle is back in PA and doing good. After my Uncle came back to life I flew home the next day as planned while he stayed in the hospital to recover.

Also, I would like to know if you know what happened with the first diver that was rescued? I heard while we were at the hospital they couldn't get a heart beat? Do you know if he lived? I know my Uncle and the other diver both lived and should be able to dive again because they had rooms next to each other.

Also, I suspected CO after I got my head around the situation and talked to DAN. Dive Palancar assured me they would test the tanks... however, they have not shared the results. I've asked DAN to try and follow-up.

Below is the recap from my first hand experience:

This message is so I can share with you what happened and hopefully can prevent further dive injuries.

I've done about 500 dives during the last 3 years of which I've done close to 200 in the past 12 months and I have never, ever seen anything like this. My dive buddy (injured diver three in the info below) is a Dive Master since 1975 and dives more than I do.

Location: Cozumel, MX.
Duration: 7-10 days of diving 2 – 3 dives per day
Dive Injury Location: Palancar Reef @ Horse Shoe (between Palancar Caves and Palancar Gardens)
Dive Shop: Dive Palancar, onsite with Alegro Resort and Occidental Grand Hotel
Rescue Dive Shop for Injured diver 1: Dive Palancar, onsite with Alegro Resourts
Rescue Dive Shop for Injured divers 2 and 3: Dressel Divers, onsite with the Iberostar Cozumel Resort.
Dive Gas: All 3 divers were using a standard Air tank.

Incident: 3 of 7 divers injured during descent on a multi-level dive to 90’
Date: Thursday, Feb 11, 2009 about 2:38PM.

Summary of Injury:
Diver 1: Blacked out during descent at about 25 feet, 2 minutes into descent.
Diver 2: Blacked out during continuation of descent to first dive level at about 60 feet, 12 minutes into descent / dive.
Diver 3: Blacked out at first dive level 75 feet 13 minutes into descent / dive.

Condition of Injured divers:
Diver 1: Unknown
Diver 2: Released from Hospital (Friday Feb 12th)
Diver 3: Released from Hospital (Saturday Feb 13th), still suffering minor joint pains

Location of Treatment:
Diver 1: Unknown
Diver 2: Cozumel Internal Clinic, Contact: 987-872-23-87
Diver 3: Initially Treated By Dr. Pascual Piccolo with Meditor:, before stabilizing and being transferred to the Cozumel Internal Clinic.

Details:
First diver blacked out about 2 minutes into the descent, and although I didn't see anything other than him surface and the boat pick him up from about 45' under water (while the descent was paused). I have heard from the dive-talk that he was being treated for a heart attach, and just blacked out during his decent.

Second diver blacked out at about 12 minutes into the dive around 60', I didn't realize what had happened, and frankly I though it was a buoyancy issue because it looked like his wife was trying to pull him down. In talking to him he got light headed, and the last thing he was able to do was inflate his BC.

Third diver blacked out at about 75'. This was my dive buddy and uncle so I witnessed almost the entire event, but it was limited because I was trying to let the dive master know about the second diver and was about 10 seconds away from buddy when he blacked out, and starting taking in water, . By the time I goto my buddy, jammed my octopus into his mouth and got buoyancy under control we were down to 90' before I was able to start the ascent. I noticed he was not breathing and started free flowing his air at which time his eyes blinked for 1 happy second before rolling back and going out. I began an emergency ascent with my buddy in tow from 90' and he started foaming (probable from trapped air in his lungs). Time of ascent was 42 seconds.

Once on the surface the second diver was convulsing, breathing, but non responsive to the situation. Third diver was out, but did have a pulse and seemed to take shallow breath as I used the octopus to force short bursts of air into his lungs every few seconds, until we confirmed he was taking a shallow breath... the best we could do considering we were floating in the ocean.

Next no boat. The boat had taken the first injured diver.

It took at least 10 minutes to secure a rescue boat by using every possible option available (emergency whistles, horns, distressed diver signal, yelling, etc..), during this time the third diver (my buddy) began convulsing but was non responsive to the situation, however I could tell he was now breathing for sure on his own, but it didn't last. And by the time we got him onto the boat I was sure he was dead. However, you don't give up and we began oxygen treatment and within a few minutes he was breathing and convulsing again. At about 20 minutes into the boat ride we ran low on oxygen and additional oxygen was obtained from another dive boat on the water, with the new oxygen we continued full speed ahead to the dock at which time my diver seemed to stabilize and come back to life. Opened his eyes, blinked. I asked him if he knew who I was and he did. I then told him had blacked out at 75' and we had done an emergency ascent and were about 5 minutes from the ambulance.

As we had pulled into dock (in our rescue boat with Dressel Divers at the Iberostar) Dressell had paramedics and a doctor along with two ambulances. During the 30 minute boat ride second diver had stabilized. The 3rd diver (my uncle) was the immediate concern, and was quickly checked out by the doctor who instructed the paramedics to get him into the hospital because his lungs were full of water.

Anyway the story ends well for the 2nd and 3rd diver, who as noted above were both released from hospital. The status of the 1st injured diver is not confirmed.

Misc Notes:
Dive Palancar assured me they were going to test the air in the tanks. When I followed up the next day with the dive shop they avoided the issue. I’ve asked DAN to get this info in the argument of research. I’m sure we had Carbon Monoxide loaded tanks. It is the only way I think you can have bad air and not know it.

I have done some research and I have found only one company that makes a portable CO tester specifically for divers.

Manufacture: Nuvair
Model: Pro CO Analyzer, BC flow adaptor sold separately)
Cost: $400
Website: cant' post the link because of site rules so I'll try to just do this www nuvair com
Carbon Monoxide Analyzer - Pro CO Alarm

We saw 3 other injured divers receive medical treatment during the week with Dive Palancar.

I myself felt fine immediately following the Rapid / Emergency Ascent, and never sought medical treatment in Cozumel, although the Doctor asked me several times how I was doing (somewhat amazed I felt fine).

Since my Uncle had stabilized and was in good care I went ahead and flew home about 20 hours following the rapid ascent. I did start to get DCS symptoms in flight that were very mild (wasn’t a huge concerned because I’ve had some minor DCS symptoms after long periods of diving, that have always gone away in a few days… and was in denial of the mild symptoms until they escalated at day 6 to moderate sharp muscle and joint pain along with the tingles in my arms and legs, and just to make sure I was a mess I got a nice does of vertigo. I was treated quickly by some great doctors in Scottsdale AZ and I’m hopeful I will make a full recovery over the next few weeks. I will post my treatment under another topic since it was delayed DCS treatment it is worth talking about and the way the hyperbaric treatments were administered.
 
Also, it is important to note that I've dove with Dive Palancar 3 times in the last 2 years with no problems. Although this time was not the same.... and I'm still not sure that the first injured diver did survive. Also, for those of you who have talked about Dressel. They are also a great dive operations who I've used many times. We can not thank them enough for responding to the emergency situation.
 
I dove with Palancar the day of all the problems. I know one person got a 5 hour ride in the chamber. A couple on our boat, doing there first OW dive, she was very sick and wasn't too cohirent. Don't know if she followed my suggestion and got medical attention. One person was suffering from hyperthermia, find this a little hard to believe with water temps of 80f. All togethere I heard of 5 different incidence that day.
My opinion bad air, also, the next day not a tank from Palancar was on the boat, but this is second hand information.
Make me wonder if I should fork out some cash on a tester??

Gene V

wow I know of the 3 on our dive and 2 other men not on the dive that had issues... this female now makes 6 injured divers!
 
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Hey fellow divers, Patti here with Analox Sensor Technology. This is an important issue in our industry and EVERY diver should seriously consider testing every fill unless it comes from a compressor equipped with a Carbon Monoxide monitor/alarm.

Analox Sensor Technology is driving a revolution in diver safety with the COClear compressor monitor. While shops currently test for CO quarterly, the COClear compressor monitor is a cost effective way for every shop and resort to ensure EVERY fill is COClear EVERY time. Look for the COClear window sticker at your local dive shop.

Analox recognizes the need for a portable CO monitor for the traveling diver. We have a unit in development so stay tuned.

Safe and Happy Diving!
 
I've been following this thread. I decided to google for 'CO tester' and stumbled upon the link below. Some interesting info about several testers.

I don't know anything about the person doing the tests (for all I know, he's one of you).

Anyway, it looks like it's worth reading.

MOD SCUBA BLOG

This an excellent analysis of the monitors presented. There are two major problems with the Pocket CO:

1.Calibration is very expensive, uses 100 ppm CO concentration, and takes too long.
2. Cross-sensitivity to other contaminants with this sensor is a real problem giving numerous false positives.

Another monitor worth looking at is the more expensive BW Tech Gas Alert Extreme which has a replaceable sensor ($200), however the display will not register until 3 ppm CO is present.
BW Technologies Gas Alert Extreme

It is too bad no one down there had a portable CO monitor to check the gas before the tanks mysteriously go missing or are emptied.
 
Hey fellow divers, Patti here with Analox Sensor Technology. This is an important issue in our industry and EVERY diver should seriously consider testing every fill unless it comes from a compressor equipped with a Carbon Monoxide monitor/alarm.

Analox Sensor Technology is driving a revolution in diver safety with the COClear compressor monitor. While shops currently test for CO quarterly, the COClear compressor monitor is a cost effective way for every shop and resort to ensure EVERY fill is COClear EVERY time. Look for the COClear window sticker at your local dive shop.

Analox recognizes the need for a portable CO monitor for the traveling diver. We have a unit in development so stay tuned.

Safe and Happy Diving!


If it's not too late to make changes, it would be really nice if it would plug-in to a drysuit hose connector, or an Air-2 connector.

I have a Pocket CO SCUBA, however if you're on a small boat, like in Cozumel, it's really inconvenient to have to fish out a baggie, blow it up and wait. If you could make something that worked like an O2 analyzer (or even better, was also an O2 analyzer), that would be amazingly cool.

Terry
 
Hey fellow divers, Patti here with Analox Sensor Technology. This is an important issue in our industry and EVERY diver should seriously consider testing every fill unless it comes from a compressor equipped with a Carbon Monoxide monitor/alarm.

Analox Sensor Technology is driving a revolution in diver safety with the COClear compressor monitor. While shops currently test for CO quarterly, the COClear compressor monitor is a cost effective way for every shop and resort to ensure EVERY fill is COClear EVERY time. Look for the COClear window sticker at your local dive shop.

Analox recognizes the need for a portable CO monitor for the traveling diver. We have a unit in development so stay tuned.

Safe and Happy Diving!

If you build it, I will buy it. :D I am looking for a unit that is easy to use and will read even very low concentrations, e.g., the difference between 0ppm and 1ppm.

One question: Does your on-line COClear shut down the compressor if it detects CO beyond the final filter stage or does it rely on the operator to re-act to the reading?

Thx.
 
Misc Notes:
Dive Palancar assured me they were going to test the air in the tanks. When I followed up the next day with the dive shop they avoided the issue. I’ve asked DAN to get this info in the argument of research. I’m sure we had Carbon Monoxide loaded tanks. It is the only way I think you can have bad air and not know it.

Augustib,

Thank you very much for posting a very detailed account of your incident and I am very pleased that your uncle has made such a fast recovery after what was a very close call.

In the future with any of these bad gas incidents the divers who are not injured must take control of the suspect tanks otherwise what typically happens in these tropical destinations with rental tanks is the dive operation swiftly removes the tanks and more often than not they are emptied or go missing which very effectively and permanently destroys any evidence of gas contamination. The only other option was to have the diver's blood checked for its level of carboxyhemoglobin percentage (COHb %), however I highly doubt this test is available in Cancun let alone Cozumel.

Here in Canada or the USA the suspect tanks would be impounded by the police and there would be a formal chain of custody kept as the tank went from the police to the lab and back. A diver in a similar predicament in the USA or Canada could also easily access a COHb blood level at most hospitals.

There was a double fatality in the Tulum caves across the channel involving a US and Canadian citizen about 6 years ago. Both divers filled their tanks at the same fill station but died in separate caves on the same morning. If I recall one set of doubles went missing from the police, however a local ex-pat managed to test one of the diver's tank at the site using Drager tubes and the gas was highly anomalous for CO.

The air testing labs in the US still report a failure rate for CO at about 3 to 5 percent and that is only from the fill stations who actually send in a sample so one would assume the dive op would try to optimize their odds of passing. What is the frequency of CO contamination at the majority of fill stations which don't send in a regular quarterly sample??

Given the economy is slow and many of these dive shops are cutting corners I'd expect to see more of these contamination incidents as cheaper compressor oils are used (have seen automobile oil and corn oil being used in Mexico and Roatan) which auto-ignite at much lower temperatures, cheaper filters are purchased without catalyst to convert CO to CO2, and in general compressor maintenance is foregone.

Until such time when there is a CO monitor on every oil-lubed compressor used in the sport diving industry the only way the diver can protect him/herself from CO-contaminated breathing gas is to own a hand-held monitor which is calibrated accurately on a regular basis.
 
If it's not too late to make changes, it would be really nice if it would plug-in to a drysuit hose connector, or an Air-2 connector.

I have a Pocket CO SCUBA, however if you're on a small boat, like in Cozumel, it's really inconvenient to have to fish out a baggie, blow it up and wait. If you could make something that worked like an O2 analyzer (or even better, was also an O2 analyzer), that would be amazingly cool.

Terry

The set up you describe is available currently as seen here from the blog post above. I use this same set up myself and it works very well. If however one needs to check multiple tanks quickly Analox sells a DIN and Yoke high pressure flow restrictor which can be attached directly to the tank. OMS also has a DIN flow restrictor which can be used.

http://modscuba.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/coanalyzer/coanalyzer4.jpg
OMS Oxygen Analyzer http://www.OMSdive.com

Down Under this hp flow DIN flow restrictor is available.
http://www.divetekoz.com/2009/products/Gas_accessories/gasaccessories.asp
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/peregrine/

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