Can I fit any 2nd stage to be used as spare\octo

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So I'm looking in getting an atomic regulator,

I see a lot of people getting an other atomic Z2 for spare\octo, but its seems like overkilling for someone like me. (again I'm saying that because a lot of people also put the cheapest octo they can find).

So I want to know if I buy let say an aqualung regulator, can I put it on the atomic to use it my spare?
 
..., but its seems like overkilling for someone like me.

As to this point, wouldn't you want an octo that is as good a quality as your primary? I would think that if you ever really need it - in a moment of great stress - you'll want that thing to be top notch.

My primary and my backup regulators are the exact same model (Apek atx200).
 
Yes.

Depending how close the IPs of the first stages are the second may be need to be-tuned, especially to behave well as an alternate second stage.

Pete
 
My primary and my backup regulators are the exact same model (Apek atx200).

Mine too! Great set up!

But, my dive buddy has an Atomic B2 with an Aeris swivel octo. It works just fine, although I admit that it breaths nowhere near as well as the primary B2!
 
That's an "almost any." Most regulators operate in the IP range of 130 to 150 PSI and are almost interchangeable. There are some as low as 60 PSI and some as high 190 PSI that will not work, but the are rare (except for the Poseidon Cyclon 300 which is 190 PSI)
 
I'm not the most knowledgeable one to answer your question - but noticed no one had pitched in with an opinion yet. Generally I think its common to put cheaper 2nd stage on as your octo - and going with a different manufacturer is not uncommon. I think you'd want to make sure you could get everything serviced at one time. I bought a Zeagle Envoy as my primary and an XS Scuba regulator commonly used as an alternate air source. I've been happy with both (obviously more use out of the Zeagle - but both had good reviews). Both were purchased thru Scuba Toys. Originally I thought I could get everything serviced at a nearby dive shop which carried this gear. Unfortunately they went out of business - so I got the annual service for everything thru ScubaToys. Made me a little nervous shipping the gear off (I didn't insure it) but everything worked out fine).

I suspect that the IP (intermediate pressure) of the primary needs to be compatible with both of your secondary regulators (and there might be combinations that are ill-advised). Assuming you're not piecing together parts purchased separately I assume the dive shop (local or internet) will keep you from making any serious mistakes.

I'm still new at this myself so hopefully if I gave you some bone-headed advise other folks will jump in to set me straight and answer your question. Good luck.
 
It's fairly common practice to use a basic downstream 2nd as an octo with a balanced 2nd as your primary. The "old school" thought on this is that if you ever have a partial HP seat failure, which means the intermediate pressure rises quickly out of range, the downstream 2nd will start to freeflow more quickly than the balanced 2nd. The theoretical advantage of this is that you might avoid a sudden freeflow in both your LP inflator and the primary 2nd in your mouth, making a safe ascent easier. Basically the downstream 2nd acts as an over pressure relief valve. If you were to experience sudden total seat failure, which is very rare, all your LP connections would be subjected to HP air, and that's ALOT of air.

This works because the downstream 2nd is held closed only by spring pressure, so when the IP rises, the reg opens quickly. A balanced 2nd is held closed by a combination of air pressure from the balance chamber and a spring. So, when the IP jumps, the air pressure in the balance chamber also rises, and the reg won't freeflow as quickly. If the reg was 100% balanced, meaning the pressure in the balance chamber was equal to the downstream air pressure, the you could theoretically jump the IP really high and the reg would still not freeflow. Balanced 2nds are designed so that the pressure in the balance chamber acting to counteract the downstream air pressure is always a little lower, so the IP spike would eventually open the reg, before the LP hose would burst.

None of this has too much practical meaning these days, because sudden HP seat failure is really rare. And, I'm not sure how reliably the whole idea works; IOW in a seat failure situation, does having a downstream unbalanced octo really keep your LP inflator from suddenly and uncontrollably filling your BC, sending you to the surface in a big hurry. I bet in some situations it would work, but in other more severe seat failures you'd have both 2nds and the inflator on full blast. Not a pleasant situation, but at least you'd have some excitement on that dive! Thinking about that, one of those flanged fittings that installs over the LP inflator connection and allows much easier quick disconnect under pressure sounds like a good investment.

About the idea of having an octo that's as high performance as your primary, personally I don't think that's too important. What you need in that case is a reliable 2nd stage that breathes acceptably well, and there are MANY good basic downstream 2nds that fit this bill. One is the SP R190. The thing to avoid IMO is getting a cheap "compact" octo that breathes badly and is more likely to cause problems between services.
 
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