Cam buckle Poll

Which style cam buckle do you prefer?


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I broke a cam buckle on my zeagle ranger (pool rig) this weekend and am looking for an inexpensive replacement (several options run $30/strap!). Other than the cutting/stitching/$9 option mentioned above (I'd rather not cut/stitch), does anyone have a good link for a reasonably priced replacement?
 
OneBrightGator:
The ScubaPro ones are a pain, they make it harder to put your BC on your tank and they are wicked difficult to adjust for different tank sizes.

Yes, they can be a bit of a pain if you haven't yet figured out how to adjust one right, but they never slip.

Just as importantly, you don't have to go thru the BS of having to splash or dunk a perfectly dry BC just to get the stupid strap wet before putting it on a tank...

If I were to buy a new BC tomorrow, the first thing I'd do to it is to refit it with a ScubaPro strap. AFAIC, there simply is no substitute, and for the gear weight concious, it only ever takes one SP strap to get the job done...


-hh
 
hex92:
Good point scubaroo...Didn't think about the added weight when traveling, but then again when I am on vacation I would hate to have a buckle break and no spare.
The weight of 3 camstraps with plastic buckles is still far less than a pair of those with SS buckles - besides, you might be able to sell the spare while on the liveaboard for $50 to some desperate soul :eyebrow:
 
I have to agree with -hh, you only need one of the SP buckles to hold your tank in place. As for the SP buckle, it is also setup so as to not scratch a tank. Webbing covers every place that the buckle could possibly contact the tank. I suppose though, that this will just be an opinion thing, and you know what they say about opinions!

"opinions are like @holes[sic], everybody's got one" (and most of them stink)
 
I guess i'm the only one to try the "apollo bio-lock". I found a used one on e-bay. I don't think the thing could ever break, and you can crank it down insanely tight. The only thing i can see wrong is the price, kind of high for what you get. Anyone else have one??
 
OK -HH

Please give me a lesson on how to adjust the SP straps.

Thanks

Frank
 
FrankT:
OK -HH

Please give me a lesson on how to adjust the SP straps.

Thanks

Frank

The common complaint that people have is that the SP strap has a "too high" camming force. This then makes the SP strap into a nasty bear-trap that bashes knuckles, pinches fingers, causes cursing, etc.

The "lesson" is deceivingly simple, and it is to understand that the SP strap/buckle doesn't have to be anywhere nearly as bear-trap tight as you think it needs to be in order for it to securely hold a tank for a dive.

In other words, if its tight enough to complain about, you probably have it overtightened (overkill).

For me, it was just trial-and-error until I develop a feel for just how "loose" it could be before it might slip. If you're looking for a rule of thumb, I'd say that if you need a strong support to close the buckle (like support in a tank rack), then your strap is "way, way too tight".

What I do is to set the band length and try to close it. If its above, say ~30lbs (a typical tank weight), then its probably too much...I'll stop before I've passed over the top of the camming action. If I can close it but it took a "noticable" effort, then its still probably too tight, so I'll loosen it up and try it again.

After I get the closing force to something "acceptable" (sorry that I'm being vague here), I then pick up the entire rig by the BC handle and give it a couple of shakes.

(BTW, if your BC has one of those loops that go around your tank yoke, use it, because if its going to slip, the loop will show it so).

After you get this "acceptable" strap closing force, try loosening the strap a little bit more, and then pick up the rig and give it another test shake. Keep working it down to see where it finally slips...you'll probably be surprised. Pick some value in the middle (between "accepable" and "slips") that you're comfortable with, and then go try a test dive.

Naturally, what matters is that nothing slips loose, including at the end of a dive, so a dive is always the final, no-BS test. And if you frequently use different diameter tanks, whenever you get to whatever closure force works for you (both above and below), consider marking the belt's D-ring location if you want to minimize the amount of time it takes to adjust it.

FWIW, my strap is now "loose enough" now such that I usually don't need to do anything more than put my heel next to the tank base and my right hand on the tank yoke, reach down and push shut the cam with my left hand on my first try, and I'm not a muscle man...I'm just your typical "office desk job" fitness/strength kinda middle-of-the-road guy.



Finally, a caveat: I only use hard backpack/plate BC's, so I don't know if or how well this applies for soft backpack BC's.


-hh
 
Gimme the Scubapro anyday of the week. The newer style is the easy to adjust while on the tank. Once that baby is locked down that tank's not going anywhere.
 
-hh:
trial-and-error
That was my biggest complaint is you'd have to adjust them, test them, adjust, test, adjust, test until you got them sized right. And then, you'd either have to fiddle with connecting them and sliding them over the tank, or dealing with getting them together behind a tank.

With cams, you loosen them, slide them over the tank to the desired height, tighten them, thread the loose end and you're done, I can easily go from my 6.9" to my 7.25" to my 8" tanks.
 
My Halcyon SS buckles have marred my tank. The heals of the buckle are like knifes against the finish. I prefer the plastic.
 

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