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BP/W banned in DM Course

Discussion in 'Going Pro' started by randytay, Apr 14, 2011.

  1. DevonDiver

    DevonDiver N/A

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    Unless, subsequently, the injured party made a legal claim on the basis that their misfortune resulted from incorrect tuition...
     
  2. hypertech

    hypertech Divemaster

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    Wait, I can make a claim based on incorrect tuition. I swear I must have paid too much for something!
     
  3. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

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    No "unless". I simply disagree that this would be an issue in any litigation. Perhaps you could provide a suit where it was an issue.
    • As an instructor, I am still in complete control of the class.
    • It is up to me to point out any flaws in their presentation.
    • It is up to me to be sure that the students perform the skill in the correct manner.
    • Having someone else demonstrate a skill while I provide a running dialog can be useful if a student is missing a part of that skill.
    • Having someone practice a skill to the point of presentation quality is a good thing.
    • This practice is supported by the agencies I teach for.
     
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  4. DBailey

    DBailey Instructor, Scuba

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    Once again, it comes down to the agency. PADI allows the AI to make skill demonstrations under the direct supervision of an Instructor, but not the DM, let alone a DMC.

    And I do view a non-certified demonstrator as a liability. It is a matter of preference and point of view.
     
  5. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

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    We're going to have to agree to agree on this. :D Of course, that was my point after all.
     
  6. knotical

    knotical perpetual student

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    The PADI IM says the AI can conduct (page 40) or present (page 150) initial skills.
    Such conducting or presenting can include using a DM (or DMC) as a training aid to demonstrate the skills. Otherwise why do we make sure DMCs can demonstrate?
    We checked this several years ago with a PADI rep, and he agreed with our interpretation. An AI or higher does the talking and evaluating, but others can demonstrate.
     
  7. Peter Guy

    Peter Guy Divemaster

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    knotical -- Thank you for that interpretation -- I'm just going to accept it, otherwise, this would be another standards violation for me!
     
  8. SubMariner

    SubMariner C'est Moi ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Yup.

    Also, who are you going to use when demonstrating skills that require TWO people, such as OOA, OOA Ascent, etc.? A student? :eek:

    Thus, not only do they need to perform those skills well, they must be able to perform skills at DEMONSTRATION quality.
     
  9. Ste Wart

    Ste Wart Master Instructor

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    Don't have much choice with a 1 on 1 course.
     
  10. DBailey

    DBailey Instructor, Scuba

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    I'll admit that at this point we are talking about each person's understanding of how it is written in the IM.

    Actually, I take that back. I see in the DM course, it mentions demonstrating skills. My bad.
     

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