Boat diving.Do we have it all wrong?!

[jale]

Hi
Why a lot of people think fitness is mesured by the ability to lift weight?
You can be fit without being strong and vice versa.
So is diving an activity for the strong people only?

 

[helodriver87]

Diving is an activity for self sufficient people. It's supposed to be easy, until it isn't. Technical diving even more so. Someone who can't climb a ladder in their base configuration probably can't handle a demanding situation underwater either. It's an indicator of very poor fitness, and that can absolutely make a difference in a challenging situation.

 

[ChuckP]

It's an indicator of very poor fitness

Or some sort of disability - broaden your view and lose the focus on fitness. My wife's bad back may prevent her from climbing a ladder but has virtually zero effect underwater.

 

[Ana]

I can see how someone joining a group that is used to do things by themselves may be somehow disruptive if he or she requires assistance all the time.

I remember when I was in my 20's and 30's it drove me up the wall that people took so long to get ready. In my head when you get on a charter the only goal is diving, so get your stuff together and quit the yapping.
Now I don't go on charters... I'm older and way more chill than what I used to be.

Is it the duty of the many to accommodate the few? I'm sure there are many answers to that question.

 

[Celt]

Diving is an activity for self sufficient people. It's supposed to be easy, until it isn't. Technical diving even more so. Someone who can't climb a ladder in their base configuration probably can't handle a demanding situation underwater either. It's an indicator of very poor fitness, and that can absolutely make a difference in a challenging situation.

What demanding situation are you talking about, be specific. Tell me the challenging situation that would require a diver to physically lift 100 pounds underwater

 

[scubadada]

It's up to the operator, captain, and crew to decide how much assistance they are willing and able to provide to their customers Boat diving.Do we have it all wrong?! I come down on the side of helping.

 

[helodriver87]

What demanding situation are you talking about, be specific. Tell me the challenging situation that would require a diver to physically lift 100 pounds underwater

It isn't necessarily about lifting gear. It could also indicate poor conditioning. See how that plays out against a strong current or with the challenge of helping an unresponsive buddy. It could be a chronic injury that might flare up under heavy exertion (bad knees and now you have to kick hard for a sustained period of time). There's this idea floating around out there that anyone can do anything and if someone says otherwise, they're the *******.

I'm not a strong rock climber. I can do a mid level 5.10 most days. If I want to climb 5.12, I can go to the gym and work and improve. I can occasionally top rope after a more skilled buddy to try harder things. What I can't do is ask them to physically haul my ass up from the belay position so I can have the same experience. Reality is, I'll never be 5.12 good. But I accept that not everyone can be. Technical diving is no different.

My wife's bad back may prevent her from climbing a ladder but has virtually zero effect underwater.

Well, the good news is there's plenty of good shore diving. And probably some boats happy to accommodate sidemount. But it shouldn't be expected of boat crews to accommodate every special request. It's cool if they want to, but the default expectation should be a certain level of personal capability.

 

[Celt]

It isn't necessarily about lifting gear. It could also indicate poor conditioning. See how that plays out against a strong current or with the challenge of helping an unresponsive buddy. It could be a chronic injury that might flare up under heavy exertion (bad knees and now you have to kick hard for a sustained period of time). There's this idea floating around out there that anyone can do anything and if someone says otherwise, they're the *******.

I'm not a strong rock climber. I can do a mid level 5.10 most days. If I want to climb 5.12, I can go to the gym and work and improve. I can occasionally top rope after a more skilled buddy to try harder things. What I can't do is ask them to physically haul my ass up from the belay position so I can have the same experience. Reality is, I'll never be 5.12 good. But I accept that not everyone can be. Technical diving is no different.



Well, the good news is there's plenty of good shore diving. And probably some boats happy to accommodate sidemount. But it shouldn't be expected of boat crews to accommodate every special request. It's cool if they want to, but the default expectation should be a certain level of personal capability.

Your waffling, don’t change the subject, tell me the specific situation that would require a diver to physically lift 100 pounds underwater, if there is none then there not required to lift it on land.

 

[helodriver87]

Your waffling, don’t change the subject, tell me the specific situation that would require a diver to physically lift 100 kg underwater, if there is none then there not required to lift it on land.

No, I told you exactly why the inability to climb a ladder with gear might lead to issues underwater. You're being pedantic and you know it.

 

[Celt]

No, I told you exactly why the inability to climb a ladder with gear might lead to issues underwater. You're being pedantic and you know it.

No you didn’t you made up some pie in sky scenario about climbing and ridiculously linked it to diving,