Best CCR in 2025-2030 Rebreather Markets

[Mas.]

Revo is offered by a tiny company that happens to be owned by Mares. I would be surprised if Mares had any capability to keep rEvo alive if few key people quit (or if they would care at all) - and the minute rEvo stops to break even, Mares will kill the unit and the instructor base because they bought it only for the IP.

Can’t imagine this fulfils your definition of a “big company”. In my world, a “big company” would for example evolve the unit every 3-4 years because the cost of CE to a “big company” is nothing. So a big company would sell 5k or more units per year - not even AP does that, let alone Mares after close to 10 years of owning rEvo.

(Bored at work, happy to feed trolls)

True. My definition of a big company is cleary stated in my original post: their parent are "companies large enough in size, employ more than 1,000-1,500 people and report sales of more than $200-300 million."

When you have many big companies offering CCR then yes you can start to discuss which of them really evolve the unit every 3-4 years. You can also add which one of them is made in Germany, Switzerland, UK, etc.

 

[jale]

Well I have no idea why you think to define yourself here as a "professor emeritus" but, it looks you are going to become an "instructor emeritus" in this board

 

[Mas.]

Well I have no idea why you think to define yourself here as a "professor emeritus" but, it looks you are going to become an "instructor emeritus" in this board

Should I feel unwelcomed in this board just because I asked for data about which big companies offering CCR other than rEvo.. if this is a sensitive topic then I will stop to raise it every year. I don't intend to upset anyone honestly. I learned a lot from these few interactions and was hoping to know more about the CCR ecosystem.

Btw ofc I have nothing against small companies of 1 engineer/ entrepreneur offering his CCR.. for me it just pure data and knowledge that's all.

 

[jale]

Should I feel unwelcomed in this board just because I asked for data about which big companies offering CCR.. if this is a sensitive topic then I will stop to raise it every year. I don't intend to upset anyone honestly. I just want to know more about the CCR ecosystem.

You are not unwelcomed. You are just not listening to the answers given to you and are parroting wrong information about ccr units.

 

[Mas.]

You are not unwelcomed. You are just not listening to the answers given to you and are parroting wrong information about ccr units.

I am asking a very clear and simple question of which big company is offering CCR..

Pls show me where did I not listen?

 

[Mobulai]

It’s not the topic that’s sensitive, it’s your insistence to dismiss the clear answer of users (some dive multiple rebreathers, some are instructors (of multiple), I myself am looking into the possibility of working in rebreather development) that know this subspace/market quite well.

We all answered No, and then elaborated why it’s not an important criterion beyond the clear no — that obviously made us feel like we’re being trolled

Feel free to keep asking , but when another user is asking follow up or deviating from a “straight answer”, the intent is to get you closer to what you need and give data context turning it into knowledge; this is the most beautiful thing about this welcoming and helpful board

Dismissing it is saying no to help; and that’s your call; but don’t complain that you don’t get forward with your quest for knowledge

 

[jale]

Pls show me where did I not listen?

Well, you are THE professor. How could I dare to contradict you

 

[Mas.]

We all answered No, and then elaborated why it’s not an important criterion beyond the clear no — that obviously made us feel like we’re being trolled

Sorry for this. I really appreciate every contribution even if sometimes I felt 98% of responses were off-topic.

 

[Mobulai]

On my side (can’t speak for others), it’s no harm so no foul — maybe little harm (someone searching on google might get a false piece of info if they don’t read through the entirety of the thread)
We aim to help other(diver)s that’s all

I’ll do you one better; story time that might help your quest (for the family friend who wants to be an instructor):
a year ago a dear friend of mine had to make a choice on what rebreather to get certified on (he’s already a technical open circuit instructor) as a diver so he could be an instructor on

In his case, he’s based in Dahab, EG, he mainly dives in sidemount format and is extremely comfortable in it (the preference comes from a mix of what customers want and back injury that he has, sidemount is gentler on the joint due to the lower dry weight)
Now here’s the “instructor market” in Dahab a year ago:
Dahab is a learning hub given it’s year round warm and calm waters
There’s a quite famous “superstar” instructor in Dahab that teaches on the following units: JJ (gue and non GUE format), rEvo, Divesoft liberty; he has an exclusive license for his school in Egypt to teach them
AP is quite “undesirable” in the redsea for instructorion, at least for training in Dahab; it’s quite well established with boat operations but not for teaching (it’s also not in fashion with the younger crowd)

There are 2 other instructors in Dahab that have been teaching xCCR (and that extends to FX rebreathers from subgravity)

Now considering “making a name for yourselfl.. of there are other instructors that are “levels beyond you” in experience and teaching limits, no one will come to you

All these factors came to inform his choice, luckily it was simple enough:
A sidemount unit, that’s has no available instructors regionally (chest mount was also saturated)
The initial pool became:
Treb, kiss sidewinder, fathom gemini, FX in sidemount format
Treb and fathom Gemini are quite specialized ; not enough pool of traveling instructors and specifically the fathom is targeting “sump” diving — we only have deep caves in Egypt no sumps, so it’s more of a hassle to dive it for him on the daily

FX is still an fx unit, so less preferable as other instructors still have the upper hand
He chose the sidewinder eventually; and got on with it, we both did our mod1 class at the same time (but I’m a super noob in comparison), he already got to mod3 (depth/logistics limit on the unit)

He’s currently as we type in an instructor workshop getting ready to be a mod1 instructor after doing almost 200hrs on it

Tell your family friend to follow such a logic (somehow) to refine their choices (case depending); I believe also rjack gave tips regarding that (regional preferences)

(Btw this is why we were asking questions to clarify the situation on your side)

I hope it works out well

 

[Sascha314]

I believe a contributing factor is, that nonone understands the purpose of your question. Well yes you give your reasons, granted, but for most(all) others it does not make sense at all.

Maybe one can learn, maybe one help someone to overcome a misbelief, whatsoever. That is - at least speaking for me- the desire to understand more deeply the background, and with that I obviously speaking from something else than what you tell.