Bashing Each other, It is not necessary. I seem to have done it then I apologize.

[caribdiver]

What do you mean by high performance?
So before doing any cave and tech diving I would need new equipment , which I had planned on getting anyway. I guess my question here is,
If I have such a bad regualtor
(and it was rated so highly by all the dive magazines, and the people I have talked to that think the sherwood is an excellent reg,)
then should I call Sherwood and tell them I was told by tech divers and someone (one person) who works on their regs that I want my money back because my reg is a low performance reg and I had wanted one that was high performance?
WEll I really like my reg and I think it works good and I have never gotten a headache but once when I was diving. I got the headache that one time because I get migraines and when the weather is going to get really bad I can feel it.

Thank you for your advice, so in your opinion, what should I get when I decide to get into cave diving? You and I are about the same size so what is your suggestion?

Cave diving requires a totally different set of equipment. Doesn't mean your's is bad, just means it isn't designed for ALL diving situations. Redundancy is key in cave and tech diving. Different regs have different purposes. Do you know that full cave diving requires carrying double tanks on your back? You can't do this with a standard BCD. You need a backplate, wings, harness, etc. Why don't you do some research and reading up on this stuff before you start commenting and making yourself the target for abuse? Are you even aware of the level and physicall demands of cave training and tech training? By the way, cave diving and cavern diving are two completely different things.

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

Cave diving requires a totally different set of equipment. Doesn't mean your's is bad, just means it isn't designed for ALL diving situations. Redundancy is key in cave and tech diving. Different regs have different purposes. Do you know that full cave diving requires carrying double tanks on your back? You can't do this with a standard BCD. You need a backplate, wings, harness, etc. Why don't you do some research and reading up on this stuff before you start commenting and making yourself the target for abuse? Are you even aware of the level and physicall demands of cave training and tech training? By the way, cave diving and cavern diving are two completely different things.

Yes. I am aware of the requirements of the different equipment. THank you for reassuring me that my equipment for rec diving is fine. I know I need a whole new setup for cave diving. I don't want to do this until I have a lot more trianing and dives under my belt. I was reading about my BC and I thought it said I could use two tanks with it. I could be wrong, DO you know anything about that (Genesis Athena)? It proably can't. It is definetly not a wing and backplate. What would be your opnion of a good setup? I am short and small. I would think that being my size would make cave diving easier but with all the equipment, what do you think?

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

there is a PADI Cavern diving specialty, but it IS NOT full cave diving. PADI does not offer a full cave certification.

A PADI Master Instructor cannot teach anything an PADI OWSI can't teach. The difference is simply that a MSDT has met a certification quota and teaches at least 5 specialties. These five specialty ratings just mean that they have taken an instructor course to teach these specialties or they have met a quota there as well. Look it up. If you are a DM candidate, you should already know this difference. I thought about going for my DM rating, but after researching it, I decided it wasn't the path I wanted to take because I never intend to be a professional. I love what I do and it is much more lucrative than being a professional diver (not slamming professional divers).

Why do you want to be a DM anyway? I haven't seen that question asked? Do you actually want to work professionally as a diver, or do you just want the card?

This is just another example of her not kowing what the h*** she's talking about.

Beach diverqueen, I think THIS is the thing that is getting you slammed. Tech divers don't all think they are better, but when you start talking about stuff with "authority" on subjects that you have little or no clue about, that's when people start bashing you. It's ok not to know about something, but be intelligent enough to admit it. If you in fact hold three bachelors degrees and almost 2 masters, then how do you have so much time to invest in this thread? My guess is that you are a perpetual learner, which is ok. I too love to learn, but when you find something you aren't good at, be big enough to realize it an dmove on to the next endeavor.

I haven't finished reading this whole thread, I intend to though. Up to this point, beachqueen loses more an more credibility with each post in my opinion.

Instead of getting nasty and defensive, think about the fact that many of these people have been involved in diving for many, many years and actually KNOW what they are talking about. Be big enough to admit when you are wrong or uninformed and it will gain you more respect.

You are young, so I will give you that.

THank you for your opinion.
Have a nice day

Bridget

 

[caribdiver]

Thank you I will get it changed out today then. I have a question about the bungee, I have a thing about things being to tight around my neck, are these really tight on your neck or are they kinda loose?

I never find myself on a dive boat with you. You sound like an accident waiting to happen, but even then you probably wouldn't admit it.

I don't think it's the "learning" that excites you, I think it's the perception you have that if you take all of these courses and obtain all of these degrees that you will be better and smarter than everyone you come in contact with. When people with REAL knowledge about topics give you advice, you get defensive and basically tell them not to answer unless it's nice. You are a piece of work lady.

Have you ever heard the saying about "being a jack of all trades and being the master of none?" Why don't you concentrate on ONE thing that you're good at and stick to it, like maybe being a mom (your profile says you have 4 young children).

 

[cornfed]

What's the topic of this thread?

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

I never find myself on a dive boat with you. You sound like an accident waiting to happen, but even then you probably wouldn't admit it.

I don't think it's the "learning" that excites you, I think it's the perception you have that if you take all of these courses and obtain all of these degrees that you will be better and smarter than everyone you come in contact with. When people with REAL knowledge about topics give you advice, you get defensive and basically tell them not to answer unless it's nice. You are a piece of work lady.

Have you ever heard the saying about "being a jack of all trades and being the master of none?" Why don't you concentrate on ONE thing that you're good at and stick to it, like maybe being a mom (your profile says you have 4 young children).

Thank you for your opinion. I hope it made you feel better. If you knew me, I would give your comments weight. You don't know me so it is ok you want me to be on the mommy track. It just proves that some things never change.
Have a great day.

 

[HammerNoMore]

any bungee will do (Home Depot, etc.), and then you can tie them yourself.

I prefer actual bungee myself because the material is more comfortable on your skin, but many people also use surgical tube to do the same thing.

Just stick the two ends under the same cable tie used to hold the moutpiece in place.

James

 

[headhunter]

Oh this is where this thread went!

I thought it was nuked by a mod for some reason when I didn't see it come up anymore.

So, what round are we in now?

Christian

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

What's the topic of this thread?

It is about finding a better way to say things to people. It is about how some people on this board seem more content on arguing and hurting people. And How does anyone honestly expect for another person to listen to the advice they are giving out when they hand it out with insults attached to it. It is not necessary to find the worst way to say something and it doesn't mean you have to make people look/feel like an idiot because they are new or not knowledegeable of an issue, and to get them to listen to you. MOst people are turned off by that.

Thank you for asking.
HAve a great day.



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if the goal is to teach someone, insulting them is not going to cut it.

i find that it's not what you say so much as how you say it that makes the
biggest impression.

and i'm not talking about sugar-coating stuff, just not being rude:

would you rather hear:

"listen, X, you have a problem here. if you do it this way, you could get hurt. here's
why. but there's a few ways to do it better. here they are. here's why they
are better."

or:

"X, you are dumb. can't you see what you're doing is dangerous? you should have
learned a lot more in your OW class. you got cheated out of your money."

at the same time, you can take a diver to water but you
can't make them safe. it's up to the person to listen to you
and apply what you tell them.

that's up to them.

my goal would be for any question to lead to lots of answers
which explain the problem, the alternatives, and the logic
behind them, and not answers which berate or belittle the
user asking the question.
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Many [divers] do not recognize their limitations, and when they do, they are about to die.
--Gary Gentile

 

[miketsp]

I prefer actual bungee myself because the material is more comfortable on your skin, but many people also use surgical tube to do the same thing.

Just stick the two ends under the same cable tie used to hold the moutpiece in place.

James

I thought the idea of using a bungee with 2 loops, one round the neck and one round the mouthpiece, is that if necessary you can just pull the mouthpiece through the smaller bungee loop in order to donate the reg.
Trying to do this with surgical tube cable-tied to the mouthpiece either sounds like a quick way to pull the mouthpiece off or loose a few teeth when the reg slips out of the hand of whoever is pulling it.