Banded/Unbanded Debate

[roakey]

how did you manage that? how much air did you have in there? my wings do not even protrude past my shoulders/arms.

The problem is the exposed area between the diver's side and the outside of the cylinder(s). It's easy to have something slip underneith the bungee in this area. If the "something" has a protrusion that hooks the bungee such that merely reversing direction does not allow it to slip out from underneith the bungee, you're hung up in an area that you can't possibly get to yourself. This is a problem that does not exist with non-bungeed wings.

and why were you lopsided? too much air in the wing maybe?

He was lopsided because with the broken bungees, the intact bungees on the other side forced the air over to the side with the broken bungees, since that side was eaiser to inflate due to the decreased resistance. Yet another problem that does not exist with unbungeed wings. I've lost count of problems that don't exist with non-bungeed wings, anyone keping up?

Bungees are simply claptrap. They offer all sorts of solutions to problems that do not exist.

Can't deny that they sell, though... Kinda like ping-pong snorkels...

Roak

 

[Mandy3206]

Bingo! Just the back pedaling I predicted! Thank you for following through, you bungee folks are so predictable (this discussion has happened at least a half a dozen times before on this board, always with the same results).

Yes, the guy had his bungees adjusted waaaaay too tight. Not only was it quite difficult to inflate orally, but you if you let off the purge button a moment too late as you were manually inflating, the air would come blasting out -- yet another problem. These problems do not exist with unbungeed wings.

Bungees have dubious merit and some serious downsides, which is why I don't like them.

Roak

Again, that's the reason that every piece of gear has to be tested on a controlled enviroment (pool or shallow pond), not only the bungied wings, but all gear should be tested and adjusted before diving it for the first time.
I test my trusty regs after the anual rebuild before taking them to the ocean, a human serviced them and mistakes can happen, that's true for everything.

 

[Tamas]

You know what, I am done *discussing* things with people that are too stubborn to realize what is what, and I will be the better man and step down and let you believe that you know better and have taught us imbeciles a lesson. Ok?! Happy now? But you will come to my funeral right, when by bungeed wings kill me because I cannot control them, please come!

And like xiSkiGuy said, I will go and cut the my bungees off right now as well - LOL!

 

[Mandy3206]

You win! You win! We'll all go home and cut our bungees off. . . :icon_roll :icon_roll

What!!!

Are you nuts !!!

I'm tightening mine just to make the wing more dangerous than with the embroided letters lololol

live on the edge or past it!!!

 

[roakey]

Well then clearly it was his problem and not the other people that can think logically and read instructions.

Ah yes, instructions that do not exist for a non-bungeed wing and adjustments that don't exist for a non-bungeed wing. More examples of a non-failure points for an unbungeed wing.

bigjetdriver wanted to know if difficulty of inflation was just conjecture. I answered the question. Though you're arguing with me, I answered the question that was asked. Perhaps you have a problem with the question, but the answer is accurate.

You're right, you can dive with whatever equipment you like. Personally, I like my equipment to be simple, streamlined and have as few failure points as possible. Hence my decision to dive non-bungeed wings.

Roak

 

[roakey]

You know what, I am done *discussing* things with people that are too stubborn to realize what is what, and I will be the better man and step down and let you believe that you know better and have taught us imbeciles a lesson. Ok?! Happy now? But you will come to my funeral right, when by bungeed wings kill me because I cannot control them, please come!

And like xiSkiGuy said, I will go and cut the my bungees off right now as well - LOL!

Ah, putting words in another's mouth, I never said they were going to kill you.

However, I keep pointing out all the failure points that bungeed wings have compared to non-bungeed wings. All I ask of you is to point out the failure points that non-bungeed wings have that bungeed wings don't and/or point out the overriding superior performance that bungees afford that make the non-bungeed wing's significantly less failure points moot.

Not a difficult thing to do, if such information exists.

Roak

 

[Mandy3206]

You know what, I am done *discussing* things with people that are too stubborn to realize what is what, and I will be the better man and step down and let you believe that you know better and have taught us imbeciles a lesson. Ok?! Happy now? But you will come to my funeral right, when by bungeed wings kill me because I cannot control them, please come!

And like xiSkiGuy said, I will go and cut the my bungees off right now as well - LOL!

I'm sorry that I wouldn't be able to go to your funeral, since my wings may kill me before yours kill you lololol

 

[roakey]

So that's it, only hypobole from the bungee crowd?

Roak

 

[Tamas]

However, I keep pointing out all the failure points that bungeed wings have compared to non-bungeed wings. All I ask of you is to point out the failure points that non-bungeed wings have that bungeed wings don't and/or point out the overriding superior performance that bungees afford that make the non-bungeed wings significantly less failure points moot.

Not a difficult thing to do, if such information exists.

Roak

But see these so called points are just theoretical. There has been no evidence (or non that was provided) that actually proven that bungees cause all these problems. These are all just speculations; getting trapped, forcing air out, adjustment issues; these are all problems that you non-bungeed folks create and search for. Us bungeed folks have no problems with these or are not gullible enough to be convinced that there are....and you know why? Because we actually dive with these wings and didn't encountered these problems. You made them up. Having bungee on a wing will not cause you be less streamlined or have more failure points. And until valid proof is provided, as far as *we* are concerned your points are invalid and false.

But this brings me back to the original comment.......you don't like them fine, but do not try to force your believes on someone lese unless you yourself can back them up with tangible facts.

Over and out - I am done!

 

[roakey]

These are all just speculations; getting trapped, forcing air out, adjustment issues; these are all problems that you non-bungeed folks create and search for.

No, those are things that you dismiss over and over because they don't agree with your view of the universe. I gave you a first hand account of air being forced out. I gave you a first hand account of bungees being adjusted too tight. Someone above gave a first hand account of being lopsided due to bungees breaking.

Do you have any response to these problems other than to keep repeating that they don't exist?

Why I keep hammering on the bungee folks is that these probelms DO exist, and I'm trying to keep others form making what I feel is a mistake and buying bungeed wings.

Bungees are nothing but cool looking SCUBA gadgets that solve nothing and introduce a host of problems.

Roak