Bad Ending to Otherwise Good Bonaire Trip

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Thank you Bart for a well thought out and well worded analyisis of crime on Bonaire.

Recently I was diving on ST Thomas, USVI, and was thinking about the drastic difference between these two islands, both of which I have dived before.

While I was visiting St Thomas and St John in Feb, a 31 yr old man was discovered on St Thomas, gunned down in his car, with a loaded handgun at his side. Talk shows on the local radio were lamenting the increase in violent carime. All tourist facilities were behind guarded gates, and all diving was done from charter boats. While I was in downtown Charlotte Amelie, I witnessed a couple incidents of petty crime, and police abuse that I would never see on Bonaire.

The whole time I was on St Thomas I kept thinking back to these endless "Bonaire is crime ridden" posts on SB, and thinking how totally cluelss those posters really are about the real world. :dontknow:
 
Thank you Bart for a well thought out and well worded analyisis of crime on Bonaire.

Recently I was diving on ST Thomas, USVI, and was thinking about the drastic difference between these two islands, both of which I have dived before.

While I was visiting St Thomas and St John in Feb, a 31 yr old man was discovered on St Thomas, gunned down in his car, with a loaded handgun at his side. Talk shows on the local radio were lamenting the increase in violent carime. All tourist facilities were behind guarded gates, and all diving was done from charter boats. While I was in downtown Charlotte Amelie, I witnessed a couple incidents of petty crime, and police abuse that I would never see on Bonaire.

The whole time I was on St Thomas I kept thinking back to these endless "Bonaire is crime ridden" posts on SB, and thinking how totally cluelss those posters really are about the real world. :dontknow:

How right you really are! I was on St Croix (the quiet virgin island) for 5 years in the 1980's. It was like the wild west back then! I could tell you stories of shootings, murders, shotguns etc etc. The Cruzan rum was 99 cents a bottle back then and it just fueled all the crime. Anyone who thinks Bonaire is crime ridden really hasn't got a clue to the current state of life in the Caribbean;or else they've got "an agenda" about Bonaire, which (as I've said many times) is one of the safest islands in the Caribbean!
 
Okay, I've been following the pissing matches on this thinking it would be useless to spend any real time and thot trying to address the multifaceted and growing crime problem. The island defenders are so dug in and poised to portray their paradise as one with understandable and acceptable petty crime issues that I doubt that any of those will want to consider differing views based on secondary research, but nonetheless - I'll offer some points. Diverbart offered some info that I had actually mentioned early here, about changes in the local governments, their association with The Netherlands, etc. and I'm glad he did. And yeah, crime is worse across much of the Caribbean, with the large number of island countries unable to offer a unified approach to the various facets. Some other destinations have more gated resorts or Mexico is quick to defend the Mayan Riviera that the Bank of Mexico (national treasury) developed just to attract tourism, but Bonaire seems to be still playing catch up - yet it just ain't about petty crime anymore and some of us have to wonder how bad it can quickly get? This in addition to the generally accepted petty crime on tourists that would not be allowed at some many other destinations, as so many others protect tourists from such so they won't lose our business - but this place doesn't bother, in part because some keep going anyway, in part because of the lack of national response, in part because of limited Dutch involvement, and so forth.

Now much of the crime increase across the Caribbean has also been associated with the bad company kept in the international drug trade, much of that headed for the US. Personally, I can see several reasons to decriminalize those drugs, let the fools who insist on using them go for it, destroy the crime organizations that currently keep doing whatever it takes to get it delivered, and stop wasting money trying to control the mythological hydra. Let Darwin's Laws run their courses. Too many political, law, prison, and church careers depend on our continuing a war we lost long ago tho, so that won't happen we know. How does this affect the ABCs? Bonaire may well be less affected than Curaçao, but it's not immune so the overflow effect so let's keep in mind how big of a problem exists there, as well as how easily it can spread thru association.

This article is several years old, but the situation hasn't changed much. Really in interesting read. A few excerpts from Drug Trade: Holland's Cocaine Highway - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
It's 9:50 a.m. on a Sunday morning at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport. KLM Flight 785 from Curaçao has just landed. Customs officials call it the cocaine flight...

...those caught usually face no consequences whatsoever. And that's why the searches do not serve as a deterrent.

Each year, at least 20,000 kilos of cocaine are transported by the so-called "cocaine coolies" along their preferred route between the Netherlands Antilles and Amsterdam's airport. Dutch Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner estimates the supply coming in through Schiphol covers at least half of Europe's demand.

...up to three kilos of hard drugs are tolerated in the Netherlands. Anyone who remains below this critical threshold is sent back home without prosecution. And, of course, every smuggler receives a proper receipt from the authorities if he gets caught so he can prove that he hasn't simply sold it on his own. To be put the three kilo rule in perspective, that mass is a hundred times the amount for which the death penalty is imposed in Singapore.

Most of the cocaine is imported from the South American mainland. The trip from the Colombian coast to the ABC islands takes only about three to four hours by speedboat. Until it's ready to be delivered, the cocaine remains hidden under water in watertight packets attached to fishing boats in Willemstad harbor.

(But it's really worth reading in its entirety.)
That's in addition to the drugs headed for the US thru there. From 2009 International Narcotics Control Strategy Report (INCSR)
Netherlands Antilles. The islands of the Netherlands Antilles (NA) (Curacao and Bonaire off Venezuela and Saba, Sint Estates, and Sint Maarten east of the U.S. Virgin Islands) continue to serve as northbound transshipment points for cocaine and increasing amounts of heroin coming from South America; chiefly Colombia, Venezuela, and to a much lesser extent, Suriname
So aside from stealing your camera out of your parked vehicle, there is a growing increase of other crimes continuing to develop there, and the echoes spread far and wide. Most of the crime in the US is directly or indirectly fueled by drug crimes, and it's spreading there too - sometimes simple with increased skills and boldness in the criminal element.

So we see more petty crimes, but you say don't take anything.

And we see more burglaries of properties that were not originally planned to deal with a thread that didn't exist when many of them were built, but you say store all the valuables in safes.

And we see something new now, burglaries of properties with sleeping people in them! :shocked2: How did those happen? Yeah good shore diving and good beer can make for sound sleeping, but damn...?! :dontknow:

Folks, scopolamine ain't just for sea sickness. Try a new google search for scopolamine crime and read about its darker side. There have been many other dark uses coming out of the continent almost in sight of the ABCs, but here is one excerpt from one article Scopolamine - Drug information from Medic8.com
In Colombia a plant admixture containing scopolamine called Burundanga has been used shamanically for decades. In recent years its criminal use (as outlined above) has become an epidemic. Approximately fifty percent of emergency room admissions for poisoning in Bogota have been attributed to scopolamine. Also in Caracas, Venezuela, crime related to burundanga techniques has multiplied in the last years.
Now where were those drugs coming from again? The network is not just about delivery schedules; they spread a lot of things, skills, attitudes, etc.

And you want everyone to wear old T-shirts and mismatched flip flops, then put your cameras and cell phones in the safes. Sure, right...!
 
Again Don, you are missing the whole damn point. Very few (if any) of us "island defenders" are claiming that there is no crime on Bonaire or that any level of crime is truly acceptable. If you claim otherwise, please link to the posts because I definitely missed them. What you are saying is that drugs come through the islands. If this comes as a shock to anybody then they have been living in a shell. Yes, drugs lead to other crimes. I say for the hundredth time, show me a place in the word that is free of crime (and drugs). That Utopia does not exist. I will say though, that if the "3kg tolerance" on drugs is still applicable then I will be shocked and admit that is wrong. Zero tolerance should be practiced.

What we "island defenders" take exception to is the posts made by the people like Pilot Fish and mfinlay that portray the island as a "crime riddled death trap" (paraphrasing based on many threads worth of opinion developing) where you are certain to experience tons of first hand crimes if you go anywhere near the island. It is that bull**** that most of us are disputing. Crime happens.....yes. Is a single crime acceptable.......no. Are the police sitting doing absolutely nothing.......no. Could they be doing more........nobody knows exactly what they are doing so nobody can say for sure.

If you have true facts about crime on Bonaire, feel free to share them but posting a link to an old article that shows that drugs are channelled through Bonaire......well that means nothing because show me a major airport (or seaport) that does not move drugs and I will tell you that they have simply not been caught. Where there is a will there is a way.

We are NOT blowing pixie dust.....you guys just choose to ignore the content of our posts because you would have to face the truth that you are arguing something that is not entirely true.
 
And you want everyone to wear old T-shirts and mismatched flip flops......

But only in the shower right :thumb:.....safety should come first after all.
 
And you want everyone to wear old T-shirts and mismatched flip flops, then put your cameras and cell phones in the safes. Sure, right...!

wait a minute!

are you trying to tell me there is a Flip Flop theft problem in Bonaire right now! :shocked2:
 
I used a very simple litmus test for determining the level of crime in any place I visit: do the dive operators leave their tanks out overnight? My straw poll:

Bonaire - yes
BVI - yes
Dominican Republic - no
Florida - no
St Lucia - no
St Maarten - yes
USVI - no

It is not highly scientific, but it works for me.
 
This thread should be on Comedy Central.

Too damn funny.

The white washers keep agreeing with the resident who keeps saying how bad the crime is on Bonaire while at the same time the white washers are disagreeing with any statement made by anyone else in regard to the same thing.

Perhaps diver bart has someone encoded his messages so the words change depending upon who is reading them, cause the white washers keep agreeing with the guy who is saying the same thing we are and then turning around and arguing the exact same information with us.

Too funny.

Dandy Don comes on and emparts some realistic discussion and they tear into him like a fat kid eating cake.

Wow, talk about blinders on.

So apparently two people can say the exact same thing, but if you don't live on the island what you are saying is false.

Very strange....or just evidence that the white washers are exactly what they have been painted to be.

Hmmm.....
 
So I wanted to see what Pifi had to say about Crime on Bonaire verses other islands before I posted this. .... He never responded... (I assume he went to his urologist to get checked up..........) anyway....



Here are the crime statistics I found.

1.) It shows that Crime (in 2008) is down in Bonaire (and other islands) from 1995.
2.) It shows that Crime in Bonaire is not any worse than other similar islands



first off, important to include the source. http://bonairereporter.com/news/008pdfs/11-07-08.pdf

These numbers are from November 2008. So a year and half old.


The Central Bureau for Statistics (CBS) has released the results of its crime victim inquiry conducted on Bonaire, Curaçao and St. Maarten.


The most important results are:
BONAIRE- 72% of the citizens over 16 years old were victims of a crime in their lifetime. In the 12 months preceding the inquiry 27% were victimized. In 1995, 58%. The most common crimes were being burglarized, robberies from unsecured areas like a garden, porch, or car. In 39% of the cases victims reported the crime to the police. In 1995, that was 50%. The most important reasons given for not reporting the crime were: The police force will do nothing. The police force could have done nothing because of lack of proof, the matter ws too small to report/there was no loss/it was done by a child, the matter was solved by the victim-he/she knew the perpetrator. Of those who reported the crime only 33% were satisfied with the police’s efforts.

In 1995, 43% were satisfied. That is a fall of 10%. Of the people surveyed 35%showed strong to very strong fears and feelings of disorder. Compared to 1995 (62%) that’s considerably lower.



CURAÇAO - 80% of the citizens over 16 years old were victims of a crime in their lifetime. In the 12 months preceding the inquiry 26% were victimized; in 1995, 71%. The most common crimes were being burglarized, robberies from unsecured areas like a garden, porch, or car. In 46% of the cases victims reported the crime to the police. In 1995, it was 45%. The most important reasons given for not reporting the crime were the same as those given in Bonaire. Of those who reported the crime only 41% were satisfied with efforts of the police.



SINT MAARTEN – 72% of the citizens over 16 years old were victims of a crime in their lifetime. In the 12 months preceding the inquiry 28% were victimized; in 1992, 47%. The most common crimes were being burglarized, robberies from unsecured areas like a garden, porch, or car. In 31% of the cases victims reported the crime to the police. In 1995, was that 41%. The most important reasons given for not reporting the crime were the same as those given in Bonaire. Of those who reported the crime only 38% were satisfied with efforts of the police.
 

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