I'm a CMAS instructor....
Come on down and I would be happy to show a few folks what neutral bouyancy is all about. 
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I'm a CMAS instructor....
Come on down and I would be happy to show a few folks what neutral bouyancy is all about. 
I thought CMAS cards were issued by local CMAS-affiliated training organizations that met some requirements, and hence the training standards (other than the minimum) differed from organization to organization?
But anyway, I think the hard part in a neutral buoyancy exchange is not the don/doff part, but the exchange part.
If that's too easy for you, (really, it may be, since the overall buoyancy is neutral, you just need to hold onto each other until you are able to adjust the exchanged BC's) then how about including the exposure suit! Hows THAT! And NEUTRAL! And properly TRIMMED!
SeaJay
Contributor
Check your PM's... Taking this offlist.
All,
I recently joined the Dutch DIR mailing list and I was immediately confronted with this post. It was an emotional generalisation that was understandably highly insulting to many good people who recognise nothing of the accusations I made. In posting this I made myself guilty of the very behaviour I so dislike when it is directed towards me and I wish to retract the statement and apologize to all those who I insulted.
R..
SeaJay
Contributor
<applause>
Now that is impressive.
I wish all of us - no matter what the debate, and no matter what side of it we're on - could remember how to do this.
Diver0001, for the record - I can only speak for myself, but I wasn't offended. There was a time when I would have been, but your initial attitude of "those guys are a$$holes" is one that I see on both sides of this debate... And the more I have run into it, the less it seems to affect me. So... My skin's thickened a good bit... And I wasn't offended. Frankly, after hearing about your experiences with DIR guys there, I can understand why you'd have the attitude about them that you do (or did).
But your words definitely mean a lot to me, nonetheless... And my bet is that they'll mean a lot to others here too.
But man, I gotta admit - a public apology is quite a tough thing to do... Impressive.
Bravo, man.
Now that is impressive.
I wish all of us - no matter what the debate, and no matter what side of it we're on - could remember how to do this.
Diver0001, for the record - I can only speak for myself, but I wasn't offended. There was a time when I would have been, but your initial attitude of "those guys are a$$holes" is one that I see on both sides of this debate... And the more I have run into it, the less it seems to affect me. So... My skin's thickened a good bit... And I wasn't offended. Frankly, after hearing about your experiences with DIR guys there, I can understand why you'd have the attitude about them that you do (or did).
But your words definitely mean a lot to me, nonetheless... And my bet is that they'll mean a lot to others here too.
But man, I gotta admit - a public apology is quite a tough thing to do... Impressive.
Bravo, man.
SeaJay once bubbled...
<applause>
Now that is impressive.
I wish all of us - no matter what the debate, and no matter what side of it we're on - could remember how to do this.
<snip>
You know, the stupid thing about it is that at some point I became so wrapped up in feeling insulted that I completely lost track of the fact that I was doing exactly the same thing that I hate so much
. My DIR bashing days are over. I don't want to be part of the problem. And now I just hope this thread dies because I feel pretty stupid. R..
SeaJay
Contributor
We all do it... Or have done it. It's to be expected when your experiences support your opinion.
We do it from BOTH sides, man... That's where the term "DIR N.A.Z.I" and the term, "stroke" both come from.
While I've never used the term "stroke," but I HAVE used the other... Back before I knew anything about DIR. In fact, I used it (jokingly, but still) on this board.
The bottom line is, if that's been your experience, then don't feel bad for having that opinion... Just know that you might be surrounded by a particular flavor of individual that's throwing your assessment off. In your case, you just need to see some good examples of people who aren't "N.A.Z.Is."
It's no big deal, man.
Don't feel bad... And definitely don't feel stupid.That wasn't true around my store. I only have one set of gear (it's a big set though) and I use it for everything including technical dives.
Karl_in_Calif
Banned
The store owners are the scuba gods. They decide what is right and what is wrong, and how things will be done at their store.
And I have never known any of them to read the internet scuba sites simply because they do not have the time. After retirement may in fact be a different story, of course!
bwerb
Hoser/English Translator, eh
Karl...little secret, just between us...
Mike was the shop owner and he was/is a consistent poster here.
just another little secret...there are a bunch more of them here too:shhhh:
