Are the Super Wings too much?

[novadiver]

I'm not sure novadiver is smart enough for that

Well I'm sure ,your not sure of anything !

If you haven't noticed , the origanal poster made his choice and left. That only leaves one question, are we going for distance or accuracy? eather way most of you will need to disconnect the pee valve first.If you don't you will pee on your shoes ( I learned this from dan)

I'd like to play , but my tanks just got VIPed and I need to pick them up.( going diving over the weekend)

As far as nova being a puppet. Why don't you ask the mods if we have one or two IP addresses.


Oh jonnythan I found that picture of your last dive. Hope you don't mind if I post it here.:klo:Looks like your still are a little negative.

 

[novadiver]

I still like the theory that msandler is a sock puppet for novadiver.

You got nerve talking about puppets. Is that JJs hand in you backside makeing your lips move? I thought so.

I've been diving sense before you were born. Keep strokin you'll get there EDIT my mistake I got you and jonnythan mixed up. you all look the same to me

 

[msandler]

Mike F. You sound like you know what you are talking about (except for your endorsement of Dan). You make informed, understood diving choices and you are accountible to them as I am. You stick to your 100'END I'll keep 130' you dive 1.2ppo2, I'll max 1.4 (I would lower it if the duration required it however - my longest dive lasted only 3 1/2 hrs. By the way, most of it deco at 1.6. It was in 1991 or (2) on the Barre, get this; the first time i did it on air - good grief! Enter Trimix... No insult intended, but personally I don't care who knows Dan, I have witnessed his ignorance here. It is very easy to see when someone has real insight to contribute or just talking like a bigshot.

What credentials would you like? Send me a PM...

 

[decoeric]

Mike F. You sound like you know what you are talking about (except for your endorsement of Dan). You make informed, understood diving choices and you are accountible to them as I am. You stick to your 100'END I'll keep 130' you dive 1.2ppo2, I'll max 1.4 (I would lower it if the duration required it however - my longest dive lasted only 3 1/2 hrs. By the way, most of it deco at 1.6. It was in 1991 or (2) on the Barre, get this; the first time i did it on air - good grief! Enter Trimix... No insult intended, but personally I don't care who knows Dan, I have witnessed his ignorance here. It is very easy to see when someone has real insight to contribute or just talking like a bigshot.

What credentials would you like? Send me a PM...

I have heard the Wilkes - Barre is a great wreck. I know a friend of mine did it with Billy Deans quite a few years ago. Doesn't the upper part of the wreck start at about 180ish?

 

[WJL]

As far as nova being a puppet. Why don't you ask the mods if we have one or two IP addresses.

Wouldn't that take all the mystery out of your relationship?

 

[northcoast_diver]

I'm not sure when this thread turned into an I'm-A-Better-Tech-Diver-Than-You pizzing contest. But whenever, it is way off into hijack-land by now.

On wing size, the general technical issue is still, What is the minimum wing size you need to float your rig together with yourself back to the surface, as in neutrally or slightly positively buoyant. How much more buoyancy you want to add is strictly a matter of personal choice, and only affects you at the surface.

If you want your rig to float on its own, at the surface, when the tanks are full, that will require slightly more buoyancy, than when you are wearing it.

If you want your rig to float a scooter or tool bag or video gear as well, that will take some more buoyancy.

If you want to float way out of the water when you are at the surface, with your rig on, that will take way more buoyancy.

And if you and your buddies all want to look alike, and dress the same, then you need to consider your buddies gear choices as well.

And the captain of the dive boat needs to feel confident in you and in your gear as well, before he will take you out to the dive site.

 

[MSilvia]

In my opinion, and I set as a qualifier my inexperience in the types of dives disucssed and the protracted dissertations of gas mixing, 100# of lift is not "too much".

The biggest problem I see with it is that that extra, uninflated capacity is going to translate into extra drag and extra work. Assuming you see the value in being streamlined, and don't anticipate having to hoist a grossly overweighted diver, there's a good argument for not carrying a wing that's substantially larger than necessary.

Thanks for the entertaining thread guys.

 

[The Kraken]

Agreed, but the question was about lift, not drag.
Lift was the only parameter mentioned in the original question. I would love to have a bladder the size of my 30# Venture Wing that would give me 100 pounds of lift.

 

[northcoast_diver]

The biggest problem I see with it is that that extra, uninflated capacity is going to translate into extra drag and extra work. Assuming you see the value in being streamlined, and don't anticipate having to hoist a grossly overweighted diver, there's a good argument for not carrying a wing that's substantially larger than necessary.

Thanks for the entertaining thread guys.

A big uninflated wing flopping around can get snagged on a wreck. You could bungee it, which solves that problem, but then with a bungeed wing you could not orally inflate it.

In a cave, I am not sure that it matters at all.

On a scooter, a big uninflated wing might occillate and give you problems. You could bungee it, which solves that problem, but again, with a bungeed wing you could not orally inflate it.

 

[dab]

First and foremost you should review any potential purchases with your instructor prior to the purchase. We dive with LP112's, neoprene dry suits and prefer a ss backplate with diverite classic wings-- this combo works great for us in the cold waters of the great lakes.