Are the Super Wings too much?

[MSilvia]

Agreed, but the question was about lift, not drag.
Lift was the only parameter mentioned in the original question.

Yeah, but saying the lift isn't too much without mentioning the downside of having more lift than necessary is misleading from a practical standpoint. Just because it wasn't asked specifically doesn't mean it isn't relevant... especially to someone who doesn't have much experience with wings.

Imaginary wings aside, extra lift means extra volume, which means extra drag.

 

[decoeric]

The biggest problem I see with it is that that extra, uninflated capacity is going to translate into extra drag and extra work. Assuming you see the value in being streamlined, and don't anticipate having to hoist a grossly overweighted diver, there's a good argument for not carrying a wing that's substantially larger than necessary.

Thanks for the entertaining thread guys.

Actually with the OMS 100lb wings which I have, the wings are banded so when they are deflated they are actually more compact than my old Dive Rite classic wings. So in my mind and I am sure I will get cruxified for this, but they create less drag in the water. Just for the record I am running out and buying a book on drag before Dan, Mechdiver and the rest of them start pounding the nails...

 

[MSilvia]

Actually with the OMS 100lb wings which I have, the wings are banded so when they are deflated they are actually more compact than my old Dive Rite classic wings. So in my mind and I am sure I will get cruxified for this, but they create less drag in the water. Just for the record I am running out and buying a book on drag before Dan, Mechdiver and the rest of them start pounding the nails...

There might be something to that, but I wonder if the irregular surface of the band-scrunched wing wouldn't create more turbulence-related drag than a somewhat larger smooth-surfaced wing. I don't know enough about it to know where the line between them should be drawn from a hydrodynamic perspective.

I'd love to see some wind-tunnel test results though!

 

[msandler]

I have heard the Wilkes - Barre is a great wreck. I know a friend of mine did it with Billy Deans quite a few years ago. Doesn't the upper part of the wreck start at about 180ish?

Its an Everest of Wrecks, too awesome for words! The top (tower) comes with-in 140' of the surface, the sand is 320' at the bow. 150' of veritcal relief is incredible. Easily penetrable. Fantastic vis, you can easily make out the entire ship from about 90' on a good day. Its huge! I dove it with Dean's as well, and with Mark Neese. Too bad Dean's got out of the biz.

 

[decoeric]

Its an Everest of Wrecks, too awesome for words! The top (tower) comes with-in 140' of the surface, the sand is 320' at the bow. 150' of veritcal relief is incredible. Easily penetrable. Fantastic vis, you can easily make out the entire ship from about 90' on a good day. Its huge! I dove it with Dean's as well, and with Mark Neese. Too bad Dean's got out of the biz.

Billy just sort of stopped everything didn't he? The Wilkes-Barre is on the list of someday "I hope"

 

[MikeFerrara]

Mike F. You sound like you know what you are talking about (except for your endorsement of Dan).

LOL. I just though I'd jump in and offer some testimony as to the fact that he does actually dive.

What credentials would you like? Send me a PM...

I don't need to see any. I just thought that if we were going to get to questioning Dan's that we should all put it on the table.

 

[MikeFerrara]

btw, I'm trying to get Jody, Jay and Robert down to Cannonball again soon. Florida will have to wait till October.

Let me know when. We've been trying to get out there.

Hey, I also have my continuous blender up and running. I can hit 32% within 0.2% all the time. Of course, if I'm off a little, I will have to carry some deco schedules to rework my deco

As long as you know the importance of precision. LOL

If you want to know, where to get a really cheap nitrox stick, I can give you that info. Jody put one together for his friend with a boat on the St. Lawrence for about $100.

Let me know about that too.

 

[WJL]

I'd love to see some wind-tunnel test results though!

There is enough difference between the behavior of gas and liquid moving around surfaces that you would need to do the tests in water, not air. If you really want a headache, studying fluid dynamics is the way to get it.

 

[MSilvia]

If you really want a headache, studying fluid dynamics is the way to get it.

I really don't. Whatever the appropriate tests would be though, I think it would be interesting to see a comparison of the drag of wings of different types and sizes when full, empty, and half full.

 

[WJL]

I think it would be interesting to see a comparison of the drag of wings of different types and sizes when full, empty, and half full.

So you want to inject some actual science into the BWOD argument, eh? I wish you well in your quest, and I will watch your future progress with considerable interest.