good point dmp..theres nothing wrong with analysis as long as were using facts and not what ifs..there are many scenarios that can be drawn from an accident but only one is right...the facts of what actually happened cannot be changed no matter how you cut it..oh and wolf eel lmao rotf..now that was funny thanks for making me laugh lolololol..please lol man i cant stop laughin...i dont need to see anyone..im fine lol... save it for some one who gives a darn..lolol your killing me lololololol
Analysis vs Condolences (split from CSSP thread)
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wolf eel
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You have done another fine job of screwing the thread up.
Again I would be more then happy to pay for your flight out. Of course to dive.
eace: Derek
Ayisha
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I think the idea to split the threads is a very good one. Then the people who wish to console each other can, while the people who want to learn from the accidents can pursue that end.
It seems, however, that accurate, documented information is so difficult to find. It appears that way for the accident this thread branched off from, and about some of the most recent accidents here in Ontario. Sometimes the reporting of the autopsy results, the newspaper reports, and the first-hand and second-hand knowledge of the incident is conflicting. Then the accident gets relegated to the past and we still don't know what exactly happened.
Just a question as a somewhat newbie: Doesn't DAN analyse every accident (that gets reported, anyway...)? Are these accident analysis results made public?
It seems, however, that accurate, documented information is so difficult to find. It appears that way for the accident this thread branched off from, and about some of the most recent accidents here in Ontario. Sometimes the reporting of the autopsy results, the newspaper reports, and the first-hand and second-hand knowledge of the incident is conflicting. Then the accident gets relegated to the past and we still don't know what exactly happened.
Just a question as a somewhat newbie: Doesn't DAN analyse every accident (that gets reported, anyway...)? Are these accident analysis results made public?
Scuba Diva
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Yes, DAN does post a yearly report on accidents and fatalities.
If you are a professional (Inst/DM) and a DAN member, I know you can go online to the DAN website and download a copy of it for free. It's quite long, usually over a hundred pages.
I also know you can order a copy for a fee from the DAN website.
I always print one out and read it. I learn a lot from the report.
I was amazed this year at the number of fatalities that involved obese divers. I don't know if this is because of the number of people in the world and America in general are getting fatter or if this is showing us that divers need to be in better shape to dive, period.
Also, there is the thought that maybe since travel is easier now, that more divers are doing more advanced diving and perhaps they aren't physically fit enough.
It's scary from an Instructor stand point. When and how do you tell a customer that they're too fat to dive?
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If you are a professional (Inst/DM) and a DAN member, I know you can go online to the DAN website and download a copy of it for free. It's quite long, usually over a hundred pages.
I also know you can order a copy for a fee from the DAN website.
I always print one out and read it. I learn a lot from the report.
I was amazed this year at the number of fatalities that involved obese divers. I don't know if this is because of the number of people in the world and America in general are getting fatter or if this is showing us that divers need to be in better shape to dive, period.
Also, there is the thought that maybe since travel is easier now, that more divers are doing more advanced diving and perhaps they aren't physically fit enough.
It's scary from an Instructor stand point. When and how do you tell a customer that they're too fat to dive?
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DAN South East Asia [DAN SEAP] posts a copy of the 2002 Accident Report on their website [http://www.danseap.org/]. You can read and/or download the pdf file (104 pages) at this location:Scuba Diva:
The DAN 2003 report is not posted for the general public, that I can find.
Ayisha
Contributor
Thanks, that explains why I couldn't find the area on the DAN website. I am neither a dive professional nor a DAN member. I have PADI insurance, but I will seriously consider DAN the next time I renew. Thanks again!
Squalus
The Good Humor Guy
In the current issue of "Dive Training, Dec 2004". "In 2004, 1,063 injuries were reported by hyperbaric facilities to DAN. 437 required treatment, 89 divers fatally injured from some sort of recreational diving. 44 of the 89 fatal dive accidents/incidents were contributed by faulty equipment. Evidence suggests that many of the equipment-related diving accidents can be traced primarily to errors or poor choices made by divers".
DAN REPORT ON DECOMPRESSION ILLNESS, DIVING FATALITIES AND PROJECT DIVE EXPLORATION: 2004 EDITION
DAN REPORT ON DECOMPRESSION ILLNESS, DIVING FATALITIES AND PROJECT DIVE EXPLORATION: 2004 EDITION
Ayisha
Contributor
DMP:
What does this mean? Do you mean that the equipment became faulty because of diver error such as poor maintenance or lack of inspections?
How about individual accidents? Can we get reliable info on those?
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