Alleged censorship on ScubaBoard

[lionfish-eater]

lol




I think it was Woody Allen who said "Tragedy is when I stub my toe; comedy is when you fall down an open sewer and die"




OTOH a report is no guarantee of action (not should it be). But I'm reminded of two cases:

1. I reported a post and a mod told me that since the person it was directed at hadn't complained, no action was required even though it was clearly (IMO anyway) in breach of TOS

2. I requested moderation of my own thread which suffered a multi-page hijack, and was told that since it was now back on topic, no action would be taken (it subsequently got rehijacked by the same people talking about the same OT issue)

Mel Brooks, as the 10,000 year old man, not woody. FTFY

 

[Rhone Man]

Seeing as we have now "gone there", I'll ask: what was the etymology of the word stroke?

To my mind it evokes an image of a bond villain and a cat, not dangerous techniques for cave diving.

 

[gypsyjim]

Originally Posted by Tortuga68
lol


I think it was Woody Allen who said "Tragedy is when I stub my toe; comedy is when you fall down an open sewer and die"

Mel Brooks, as the 10,000 year old man, not woody. FTFY

Or, another one I enjoy:

"A Recession is when your neighbor loses their job. A Depression is when you lose your job."

(Not sure of the source. I found versions of it attributed to Harry S Truman, Ronald Reagan, as well as some others.)

It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose your own.

Truman, Harry S - See more at: Quote - It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose your own... on Quotations Book

 

[danvolker]

Seeing as we have now "gone there", I'll ask: what was the etymology of the word stroke?

To my mind it evokes an image of a bond villain and a cat, not dangerous techniques for cave diving.

A person that likes to "stroke" their own ego. That has alot to do with the way the people George was referring to, would typically purport themselves. In cave diving, this is all the worse, when the person stroking their own ego is pushing out dangerous behaviors, and doing it with such assurance....They are so sure they re right, that they can make you think they are right

 

[The Chairman]

I got confused...

You're good at that. No, I am not a moderator, but I am staff. No one on staff can use or be the target of the ignore function.

A person that likes to "stroke" their own ego.

The irony is, the term was embraced by strokes to mean anyone who simply didn't agree with them. Many thought that the "Don't dive with strokes" meant to never dive with an unsafe diver. What it really meant was to never dive with someone who's ego was greater than your own.

 

[gypsyjim]

The irony is, the term was embraced by strokes to mean anyone who simply didn't agree with them. Many thought that the "Don't dive with strokes" meant to never dive with an unsafe diver. What it really meant was to never dive with someone who's ego was greater than your own.

If everyone subscribed to THAT way of picking a buddy, it might leave a few divers with solo as their only option...IJS

 

[danvolker]

The irony is, the term was embraced by strokes to mean anyone who simply didn't agree with them. Many thought that the "Don't dive with strokes" meant to never dive with an unsafe diver. What it really meant was to never dive with someone who's ego was greater than your own.

Ok, you are being funny..but I was trying to change the understanding of a word that has been badly mis-used...and you are confusing this definition !

The conveyance in a dangerous dive ( cave, 200 foot depth.....a dive close to the absolute boundary of your skill set) is " don't dive with unsafe divers"....
And, if you ever met George on a dive boat, he was never arrogant to other divers, and he never acted or behaved with the ego implication you are suggesting. In fact, he was much more calm and relaxed, and more likely to ACT as if he was exactly another divers equal ( in a role as a diver on the boat sense), versus the typical Dive Instructor, that often "Wears" their Instructor badge and Persona, and trys to make sure that all the divers on the boat KNOW that they are an instructor, and as such, above them in abilities, in planning, and in the pecking order. George did none of this, ever...on dive boats in ocean....Put him in charge of the teams in-water in Wakulla, where their lives were at stake --going miles into the aquifer at depths over 270 feet deep...and then he was a Dictator..but a benevolent one. And that got him a zero death record for the entire time he was Director of the WKPP.
On dive boats, in open water, even on 280 foot dives, this was not his role, and his behavior could not be farther from this. So the implication of the user's ego in using the word, should not be part of the definition.

 

[The Chairman]

Ok, you are being funny.

There might be a bit of levity in there, but the name was arrogated by the very people it described. GI3's penchant for the cyber smack down was emulated by every stroke with enough nerve to do so. It's why DIR got such a bad name so quickly. Divers claiming to be DIR, who were clearly otherwise (strokes) did their level best to be as bombastic as their new found hero: George "Trey" Irvine III. They did it to prove to everyone, but mostly themselves, that they were worthy of being DIR. Their strokiness took on a new dimension and they made the internet a decidedly unfriendly place. It's why we don't allow calling people strokes here.

You know, we should alter this poster, if only subtlety:

Trouble diving. Trouble posting. Trouble understanding. Week kick.​

 

[danvolker]

There might be a bit of levity in there, but the name was arrogated by the very people it described. GI3's penchant for the cyber smack down was emulated by every stroke with enough nerve to do so. It's why DIR got such a bad name so quickly. Divers claiming to be DIR, who were clearly otherwise (strokes) did their level best to be as bombastic as their new found hero: George "Trey" Irvine III. They did it to prove to everyone, but mostly themselves, that they were worthy of being DIR. Their strokiness took on a new dimension and they made the internet a decidedly unfriendly place. It's why we don't allow calling people strokes here.

You know, we should alter this poster, if only subtlety:

Trouble diving. Trouble posting. Trouble understanding. Week kick.​

Very good perspective!!!!!
I would still stress the word has been used improperly --essentially malapropped ....
Norm Crosby was the father of the Malaprop( a form of comedy), taken from a story about Mrs Malaprop.....

My wife Sandra is constantly malapropping herself..... One example was when she referred to a guy we knew to be a pathological liar, as a barbituate liar...... she has called one of her friends that tends to need huge amount of weight to get neutral, flotacious..... the point is, while it can be funny, you can't actually let people think that this guy who was the liar was in fact a barbituate addict, if that was the effect of the malaprop.....

We should not allow the constant mis-use of a word, to define how the word ought to be used.

Scubaboard is not a cave or tech diving community..not for the masses of it. Any use of the word stroke, in the non-cave 99.9 percent of SB population, will not mean anything more than humor, and it should not actually suggest any chance of death will be visited on those around this target of the word use.

I think I did use the word in the one "Every man for himself thread" almost a year ago, and one other time, I used it with humor for our favorite contrarian on the basic forum, a week ago or so....Neither is representative of the way I post, and the only time I used it without humor, it was a useful descriptor in my mind, and many others at the time.....which would later come out as mis-applied, due to the behavior being horribly mis-charicterized by the famous author, and where, had it been accurately explained, my having any thought of using the Stroke word, would not have occurred.

 

[boulderjohn]

This term was NOT coined to refer to any divers outside of the Cave diving world, a place where every dive is potentially far more life-threatening that even the most advanced dive for a recreational diver....which also means, that if you are not aware of this context, the ideas expressed may seem to be "over the top"...But, in Cave diving, the description really does take on an entirely different meaning....so please try reading this definition with Cave diving in mind..

Hopefully continuing in a constructive manner...

The term started in the cave diving community, but it spread out throughout the entire dive community through a conscious and deliberate action from within the DIR inner circle. As soon as DIR divers were being exhorted to go out and "make recreational divers better" by showing them the superiority of the DIR system, the entire baggage, including the word "stroke," went with it.

Here is a good example of one of those exhortations, an essay by Dan Volker still being used by DIR divers to this day: Making Recreational Divers Better