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You're making a lot of assumptions without having been on the dive. How do you know the hunters did not stop to shoot a lionfish ? How do you know the photog did not stop to take a picture ?

The DM anchored because the hunters and photog were no longer in site. So we anchored as well, next to the DM. Are you suggesting we leave the anchored DM and let the current take us ?ll

Speaking of briefing, the divers are supposed to stay within visual of the DM. The hunters and solo photo guy did not.
Hi Ron and I can see why this was fustrating to you but its just part of the issues with group diving, tolerating other divers. But this is not “independent diving.”

There are different procedures for different locals. Sometimes dictated by law, sometimes by the dive environment and sometimes by common practice. What works well in some places would not fly in others.

Just as FYI, here is a typical south Florida dvie on the boat I frequent...

Eric and I arrive at the boat and we carry our gear on board and start putting it together. The crew comes around to ask dive plans and preferences, hunting, reef or wreck. We head to the dive site and one of the crew does a briefing. Then the captain drops one or more groups. There is always one group with a guide that drags a buoy with flag. This group does the reef or wreck. They drift dive as a loose group along the reef line. Depending on their experience and comfort level they may stick with the guide or they may venture off on their own. Everyone is required to carry a safety sausage and the boat will loan one if needed. As each person in this group reaches their limit in gas or NDL they start their ascent, make a SS then surface to be picked up by the boat. If they surface away from the dive flag and boat they inflate their sausage, watch boat traffic and await pickup. The guide continues until the last of the group is ready to ascend or the max dive time is reached.

The hunters are dropped separately, either before the group or on another part of the reef. They may dive as buddies, or more likely, they dive solo. When they are ready or max time they shoot a DSMB, ascend to SS then surface for pickup. The captain could potentially make 20 or more stops for divers but in drift diving they are all going to be along the drift line from where they are dropped.
 
Hi Ron and I can see why this was fustrating to you but its just part of the issues with group diving, tolerating other divers. But this is not “independent diving.”

There are different procedures for different locals. Sometimes dictated by law, sometimes by the dive environment and sometimes by common practice. What works well in some places would not fly in others.

Just as FYI, here is a typical south Florida dvie on the boat I frequent...

Eric and I arrive at the boat and we carry our gear on board and start putting it together. The crew comes around to ask dive plans and preferences, hunting, reef or wreck. We head to the dive site and one of the crew does a briefing. Then the captain drops one or more groups. There is always one group with a guide that drags a buoy with flag. This group does the reef or wreck. They drift dive as a loose group along the reef line. Depending on their experience and comfort level they may stick with the guide or they may venture off on their own. Everyone is required to carry a safety sausage and the boat will loan one if needed. As each person in this group reaches their limit in gas or NDL they start their ascent, make a SS then surface to be picked up by the boat. If they surface away from the dive flag and boat they inflate their sausage, watch boat traffic and await pickup. The guide continues until the last of the group is ready to ascend or the max dive time is reached.

The hunters are dropped separately, either before the group or on another part of the reef. They may dive as buddies, or more likely, they dive solo. When they are ready or max time they shoot a DSMB, ascend to SS then surface for pickup. The captain could potentially make 20 or more stops for divers but in drift diving they are all going to be along the drift line from where they are dropped.
Yay Narcosis, a great boat out of West Palm
 
I am all for diver freedom, as long as it does not impact others. IMHO, these guys were being selfish and did not care how their diving style affected others. I shoot video and frequently am at the back of the group. I make a conscious effort to stay within visual vicinity of the group and not make people stop and wait for me. Even if it means I lose the shot.

Maybe this is where it goes sideways with some dive ops. With my op the DM knows who is with him/her and who is doing their own thing before we splash. It's no big deal or pronouncement or some preferred customer thing. It's just a way the op handles letting those with a bit more Coz diving experience (and a bit lower air consumption) dive their tanks while everyone has a nice dive. Nobody waits on those doing their own thing. It's understood they will shoot their bag prior to their safety stop and the boat will pick them up after loading everyone else up. It lets those who are able extend their dives another 10 or 15 min. and enjoy a bit of freedom. No great shakes. Just a good time had by all. The only inconvenience to others on the boat is a few extra minutes to pick up the "extended" divers. Since we're doing our SI or headed back to port nobody seems to mind.
 
UNCP, what you describe is what I have experienced on many trips diving in Boynton Beach. Divers decide in advance the size of their group. Group could be 2 or as many as 6, but each group must dive with a flag and group members are to stay together.

What I experienced in over a dozen Coz trips is group diving with a DM. The group may be a little lose, but you are still a group that stays within visual range of the DM. In my experience, divers have respected the group concept, except on this 1 trip with this particular group. It was a tolerated practice given to these regulars. Cool that operators cater to their longtime loyal customers. I just don't like to dive this way and will ask to be on a different boat if I am put on their boat in the future.
 
Maybe this is where it goes sideways with some dive ops. With my op the DM knows who is with him/her and who is doing their own thing before we splash. It's no big deal or pronouncement or some preferred customer thing. It's just a way the op handles letting those with a bit more Coz diving experience (and a bit lower air consumption) dive their tanks while everyone has a nice dive. Nobody waits on those doing their own thing. It's understood they will shoot their bag prior to their safety stop and the boat will pick them up after loading everyone else up. It lets those who are able extend their dives another 10 or 15 min. and enjoy a bit of freedom. No great shakes. Just a good time had by all. The only inconvenience to others on the boat is a few extra minutes to pick up the "extended" divers. Since we're doing our SI or headed back to port nobody seems to mind.
Who is this? Sounds like a good operator.
 
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UNCP, what you describe is what I have experienced on many trips diving in Boynton Beach. Divers decide in advance the size of their group. Group could be 2 or as many as 6, but each group must dive with a flag and group members are to stay together.

What I experienced in over a dozen Coz trips is group diving with a DM. The group may be a little lose, but you are still a group that stays within visual range of the DM. In my experience, divers have respected the group concept, except on this 1 trip with this particular group. It was a tolerated practice given to these regulars. Cool that operators cater to their longtime loyal customers. I just don't like to dive this way and will ask to be on a different boat if I am put on their boat in the future.
Similar but not quite the same.

What AdivingBel and I are describing is not a dive op catering to certain customers but rather recognizing and adapting dives to the abilities of their divers, not a one size fits all approach. My diving would not impact your diving in any way since you might not even see much of me during the dive and you certainly would not be require to adjust your dives to match mine.

The dive you describe that irritated you would simply not happen with the dives we are discussing.
 
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Similar but not quite the same.

What AdivingBel and I are describing is not a dive op catering to certain customers but rather recognizing and adapting dives to the abilities of their divers, not a one size fits all approach. My diving would not impact your diving in any way since you might not even see much of me during the dive and you certainly would not be require to adjust your dives to match mine.

The dive you describe that irritated you would simply not happen with the dives we are discussing.
And this operator is...?
 

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