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Hello everyone,
I just received this message from one of the sites I am subscribed to. After reading it, I feel that there may be more to the story that what is stated here. So I will refrain from stating an opinion regarding this individual's situation. However, I was wondering if there is some merit to the claims of these laws against diving in AL. Does anyone have knowledge of this? Have you heard about it? Comments anyone?
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December 18, 2003
Alabama's Unfriendly Diving Rules

This is important to the scuba divers of Alabama and Georgia and
extremely important to those in the scuba diving business. The game
wardens of Alabama and Georgia are fining people for scuba diving.
Please forward this to your suppliers, divers, and anyone interested in
continuing to dive in Georgia and Alabama.
Friends, divers, and all interested parties, In 1999 the Alabama
State Legislature passed a new law to control the salvage of sunken
ships in the public waters of Alabama. This law was passed without any
input from the 100,000 divers in the state of Alabama. After the law was
passed we divers were made aware of the law. The Alabama Historical
Commission was granted permission to write the regulations that control
the shipwrecks and diving on them. Don't confuse the Historical
Commission with the State Department of Archives and History. The State
Department of Archives and History is interested in history and do a
great job in the preservation of history. The Historical Commission has
overstepped their boundaries and is attempting to control all the relic
hunting, gold dredging and diving in general in our state. Southern Skin
Divers Supply and many other divers have been trying to work with the
Historical Commission with no success. They told us that the law would
not affect recreational divers, relic hunters, or gold prospecting. This
was not true. We are being mistreated and put upon by the Historical
Commission employees. The Legislature did not want these unfriendly
regulations but that is what we got.
Alabama has 77,000 miles of inland waterways. We have more than
any other state in the lower 48. Florida has 11,000. Most of our public
waters have never been dived. The Historical Commission does not have
divers or historians. They are archaeologists who know nothing about
diving or history. Archaeologists study prehistory and how to apply for
grants. Money is their main interest, history and diving are not what
they care about.
In October of this year I was arrested along with Perry Massie
who is the head of the Outdoor Channel on TV. He was going to make a TV
show about diving in Alabama similar to the one he made of us diving for
fossils and relics in South Carolina last year. We were diving at Selma
where I have dived for 30 years. We were not diving on a sunken ship.
There are no sunken ships at Selma. This site has been dived by hundreds
of divers, even before my time. My boat was confiscated and Perry and I
were charged with a felony. We had to post bond and Perry's 8 year old
daughter had to see her father arrested. We did not commit any crime. We
violated no laws and were diving within the regulations of the
Historical Commission.
We were arrested anyway. It's all about money. The Historical
Commission wants my Civil War Collection so they can sell it and pay
their salary with the proceeds. According to the regulations that they
wrote the Historical Commission gets to keep whatever they can steal
from divers. I know that it is hard to understand but it is true. I had
already agreed to loan my entire collection to the state to be put on
display. They had to insure and display the collection but they could
not sell it. It's all about money.
The charges against Perry and I should soon be dropped because we
have not done anything wrong. What I worry about is the other divers who
will be harassed under these thugs at the Historical Commission. I do
not want my sons, or any other divers bothered by these people. If you
want to dive in a swimming hole and find a coin or bottle, that's just
fine. I don't want you to feel threatened by your own state employees. I
want you to take an interest in your own freedoms and the future divers
that will come along. We need to get our Legislature to fix this bad law
and even worse regulations. We can do this in court if we have to but it
would be better if our own representatives would fix the problems they
created. Bad laws can be fixed. Please write your state legislators. We
have made a big file of correspondences since 1999 with the Historical
Commission, State Legislators, the Governor and others concerning our
problems with the Alabama Historical Commission.Click here
www.ssdsupply.com/aucra.htm. to learn more. Remember you have a dog in
this fight. You are a free American citizen, you are not a subject. You
do not have rulers, in fact you make the rules. Our Federal and State
government is good, not bad. It is us. We have to keep an eye on our
employees in our government to make sure they do for us, not to us.
Please take charge, write your Legislators.


Thanks,

Steve Phillips
Southern Skin Divers Supply
Birmingham, Alabama
 
I am not sure of all the details but being a Civil War Buff I know that anything found while diveing that is related to the War of Northern Aggression must be turned in, I have surfaced before and had a marine police officer waiting to tell me that I am not allowed to dive that particular site he also made sure that we brought nothing up with us. However this is the first I have heard of someone getting arrested. There must be more to this story then is being told.
 
JDB,

WOW! I did not know that the laws in AL were that strict.
Thanks for the input...

Dive safe!!

jdb:
I am not sure of all the details but being a Civil War Buff I know that anything found while diveing that is related to the War of Northern Aggression must be turned in, I have surfaced before and had a marine police officer waiting to tell me that I am not allowed to dive that particular site he also made sure that we brought nothing up with us. However this is the first I have heard of someone getting arrested. There must be more to this story then is being told.
 
coquito:
JDB,

WOW! I did not know that the laws in AL were that strict.
Thanks for the input...

Dive safe!!

I think that you will find that it is illegal in any state to dive in area that is known as a burial/artifact site or has some sort of historical significance. There is such a site on the northern part of the Tugaloo River arm of Lake Hartwell in NE GA and it is indeed illegal to dive and/or retrieve any artifacts from the site. I believe this site also has a sign marking it (Indian burial mound partially exposed above the water).

The reason for these laws, whether they are inforced in the manner in which the law intended or not is to protect these sites from those that would take advantage of the site and/or take away from the enjoyment of future visitors. A lot of blood was shed on many of these sites. We need to respect these sites as well as those that may have lost their lives there. Just because there are artifacts to be found in places doesn't mean any of us have any God-given right to take them. We as a humans will take advantage of anything. Are the people that robbed the tombs in Egypt justified to do what they did? Is it right? Don't we all condemn such actions? Is it better to have a collection of civil war artifacts for your own personal enjoyment/bragging rights than it is for someone to take them from you and sell them? Didn't you take them as well?

The more you take, the less there is for others to see and discover. Of course there will always be those that take artifacts for their own, but if we all do so, soon there will be nothing left for future generations. We shouldn't be as greedy, but there will always be those that say... let the other guy be the one thats leaves things like they find them.

Now don't all you loot mongers out there jump on me... I'm just showing you whats on the other side of the coin. I'm not saying the above opinion is better than any other... just giving you something to think about maybe.
 
December 18, 2003
Alabama's Unfriendly Diving Rules

This is important to the scuba divers of Alabama and Georgia and
extremely important to those in the scuba diving business. The game
wardens of Alabama and Georgia are fining people for scuba diving.
Please forward this to your suppliers, divers, and anyone interested in
continuing to dive in Georgia and Alabama.

Well, I went to this fellow's website to the page where this link leads:
http://www.ssdsupply.com/aucra.htm

IMHO it's a long rambling self-serving page about how this fellow found historical relics, claimed them as his own, then was appalled that someone called him on it.

Hmmm....
 
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