Aeris Atmos Pro and Sport regs for Tech diving

[ianr33]

Tech divers are known to prefer the Scubapro mods with swivel port (turret). It favors positioning of the various hoses.

Cant speak for Scubapro regs but when it comes to Apeks the non turret versions are preferred for back gas regs. (One less possible failure point)

 

[leapfrog]

This whole line of discussion is silly.

Super asked a question and is receiving legitimate personal opinions.

Fifty years ago, divers successfully went to 300 feet and deeper using double hose regs.

Is a lesson in diving history relevant to the OP? Fifty years ago we hadn't put a man into space yet. There were no cell phones, no internet. We were in the middle of a Cold War with the Soviet Union.

Problems that occurred, including death, were due to the use of air as the breathing gas.

Never because there were any problems with the equipment?

Risks in deep dives will be a function of diver planning, execution and competence.

I agree with the spirit, not with the letter. I've seen "good equipment" malfunction at depth with serious consecuences.

As far as those depth limits; the manufacturers are saying that they don't trust YOU to dive their equipment below 130 feet.

No. The manufacturers are citing the standards to which their equipment has been built. You can take a Porsche 911 off road. Not a good idea though....

 

[pescador775]

Leapfrog, you have taken this from silly to ridiculous.

The question from the OP was understandable. Newbies ask such questions. Part of the discussion that followed was a demonstration of nothing more than speculation and nonsense.

Yes, fifty years ago is relevant but apparently, you have learned nothing from history. If divers, using fifty year old technology, could make dives to 300-400 fsw on AIR, what do you think that modern equipment is designed for, 130 feet? If so, why do you think the OEM's are constantly advertising high flow rates and low WOB? What do you think those monster, 8 inch, 130 cf tanks are for? Manufacturers know that tech divers, commercial divers, NASA, the Navy and others will occasionally need to use their equipment to go far below 130 feet. Almost any brand name regulator including mid price range models; you name it: Aqualung, Apeks, Oceanic, Scubapro, Genesis, Mares, etc can be used at helium depths. That would be true even if He did not have a low gram molecular (atomic) weight (clever argument that and techies know that helium has lower flow resistance). Even so, it was good for a newbie to hear that, thanks Ianr. BTW, that is how an instructor should talk.

Leapfrog, how the heck did you get to be an instructor??

 

[pescador775]

Ianr, I don't like swivels either.

 

[beanojones]

Simple answer: I can outbreathe a unbalanced piston at the deepest recreational depths if I try hard. So no unbalanced pistons. Sucks, but.

First stages that send the hoses out at all different angles perpendicular to the face of the tank valve may cause hose routing problems. So the Pro may be a problem for hose routing reasons. But most diaphragms are tough to outbreathe, so performance wise they should be OK.

The better question is, how did you end up with Aeris when your LDS is a ScubaPro Hotbed?

 

[leapfrog]

Leapfrog, you have taken this from silly to ridiculous.

If you go in for argument, take care of your temper. Your logic, if you have any, will take care of itself.

The question from the OP was understandable. Newbies ask such questions. Part of the discussion that followed was a demonstration of nothing more than speculation and nonsense.

Opinions are formed in a process of open discussion and public debate, and where no opportunity for the forming of opinions exists, there may be moods of the masses and moods of individuals, the latter no less fickle and unreliable than the former but no opinion.

Yes, fifty years ago is relevant but apparently, you have learned nothing from history.

Fifty years ago Aeris didn't even exist. Read the OP.

If divers, using fifty year old technology, could make dives to 300-400 fsw on AIR, what do you think that modern equipment is designed for, 130 feet?

Manufacturer's specification and CE, ISO and other standards exist to guarantee the safest possible use of products, in this case scuba diving regulators that in decompression model diving are the divers key life support system. The point about equipment that was used 50 years ago remains moot. The question is what is best equipment available today.

If so, why do you think the OEM's are constantly advertising high flow rates and low WOB? What do you think those monster, 8 inch, 130 cf tanks are for?

Straw Man argument. If a manufacturer says a product should not be used beyond 165ft and another manufacturer says their product can be used at a greater depth and in both cases the product conforms to the relevant standards, there's not much room for discussion.

Manufacturers know that tech divers, commercial divers, NASA, the Navy and others will occasionally need to use their equipment to go far below 130 feet.

There are specific products for each of those groups. The Navy publishes a regularly updated ANU list. It also specifies in what conditions of temperature and depth the regulators can be used. Scubapro has products on that list. Excellent products. However, diving in the Navy, whether it be for salvage or combat is far removed from Tec Rec which is the activity the OP wants to participate in. The Navy specifically authorises the use of the the G250 with the Mk.10 (no longer manufactured) and the S600/Mk.25 for use to 190 ft but NOT in COLD WATER. Read the OP.

Almost any brand name regulator including mid price range models; you name it: Aqualung, Apeks, Oceanic, Scubapro, Genesis, Mares, etc can be used at helium depths.

That's your opinion. It may be a valid one but one thing is can be used and another thing is designed for use.

That would be true even if He did not have a low gram molecular (atomic) weight (clever argument that and techies know that helium has lower flow resistance).

I was not aware that the OP was looking for a disertation on the atomic weight of gases used in technical diving. I obviously missed something and stand corrected.

BTW, that is how an instructor should talk.

DIR and Hogarthian phiosophy works well under the water. On a forum designed to encourage the freedom of speech and to contrast legitimate opinions, it's tantamount to National Socialism. Now there is "a way instructor's should talk?" What are you going to do with the instructors who don't talk the way you would like us to talk? Send us all to a virtual concentration camp?

Leapfrog, how the heck did you get to be an instructor??

Just like every other instructor who is certified by the agency I am affiliated with. The process is in the public domain and it would be off topic to enlighten you as to the procedure here.

 

[scubafanatic]

...have you asked your tech class instructor whether or not your existing regs are acceptable ?

 

[Super]

To beanojones....how did I end up with Aeris while my LDS pushes Scubapro. Welllll....when I first got into diving, I could only buy what I could afford. The typical story of a newbie. If I was to buy Scubapro from the beginning, I wouldn't have been able to be diving with a drysuit and steel 130 doubles like I am now.

This theme continued through my classes as evidenced by my signature, I have certs from both NAUI and PADI. I started out in a NAUI shop, but I could take a few classes from a PADI shop and still have some money left over to buy a few more pieces of equipment, money I wouldn't have had if I'd taken the same but higher priced class through the NAUI shop.

But alas, the local PADI shop went under...leaving me having to go back to the NAUI shop. And along with this, I was bitten by the Tech bug after reading a few articles and seeing some awesome pictures in a few magazines. I didn't really consider tech diving when this whole diving thing started.

So that's where I am today....."what a long, strange trip it's been."

 

[Super]

To scubafanatic....asking my Tech instructor about any other equipment is blasphemy!!! They don't even want to look at them, much less service them or "guess" any perfromance issues with them. After all, I went to a different dive shop!! I don't want to use the word traitor, but....

They're great people, don't get me wrong, I just went off the reservation and now have to work my way back into their good graces. And that working back includes opening the wallet...but they are great people and he's a great instructor.

I am considering using the Aeris regs as stage bottle regs, though.

 

[leapfrog]

I am considering using the Aeris regs as stage bottle regs, though.

That is a wise decision.