Adventures in finding a mask that doesn't leak

Please register or login

Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.

Benefits of registering include

  • Ability to post and comment on topics and discussions.
  • A Free photo gallery to share your dive photos with the world.
  • You can make this box go away

Joining is quick and easy. Log in or Register now!

If your face is like mine your mask will always leak a bit....it shouldn't flood but it will leak. I find that the silicone grease that Dive Right in Scuba sells does help. Not moving my head too quickly helps too as does a deeper dive.....but I still end up clearing my mask a lot. For what it's worth I noticed that our divemaster in Anilao who has 30 years experience, is a trained commercial diver and has done thousands of dives, also cleared his mask fairly regularly.
 
I do the 1000 yards in about an hour. I'm not a speed demon. Use a kickboard. Masks leak from the bottom when I'm doing laps, just like when I equalize when diving.

All I can offer is I tend to breathe out through the nose which keeps my ears popped and my mask pressurized... but it's riding up so I'm still looking for a better one.
 
I've done strap tight, strap very loose, strap medium. Instructors and experienced dive buddies have watched me as well while diving and they're all baffled.
 
You need to do a little bit of a home science experiment. You need to figure out a way to find out where the leak comes from (left side, right side, both, top, bottom, both) to figure out the best way to fix it if no one can figure it out. It sounds silly and don't drown yourself but something as simple and holding your breath and putting your head in a full bathtub may let you focus on where the leak is coming from. Also, if it only happens when you have your regulator in your mouth when you do this it could have to do with how your are biting down or placing your mouth on the reg causing a gap in the skirt on your cheeks.

This is not a standard thing people do to check masks but you need to figure out someway to diagnose this if you've gone through this many masks and your local mentors can't help.
 
Have you checked out the Hollis M1? Not the cheapest but lovely soft silicone and has never leaked on me, except once when I forgot I recently put sun cream on. :clearmask: I love it!
My wife's also dived in it with no problems and she has high cheekbones. My friend (female with round face), niece and dad have also borrowed it for snorkelling with no issues.
Did I mention I really love the mask?
 
In 1966 David L Wolper produced a series of TV specials titled "The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau"

If David was alive today he could create TV series "The Undersea World of Marie 13."
It would certainly be a long term run a way smash hit with the diving TV audiences

Never in the short history of recreational diving has one person encountered so many obstacles - real or imagined - to her comfort and enjoyment of the underwater world

Marie a FYI the way it was in the very beginning of recreational diving

'The Mask,
One of the great pioneer divers of all times was the late Charlie Sturgil. "The Old Walrus," as he was affectionately known, started his diving career in 1929 in the frigid waters off Northern California where he hunted for abalone by a method he described as "feeling for abalone." He would dive on a reef, feel until he found an abalone and pry it off, without the use of mask, fins, snorkel or thermal protection.

Charlie began diving with a mask using a Japanese mask in the late 1930s which was loaned to him by his good friend Bill O'Conner. A few years later after the end of WW 11, Charlie, a master tool and die maker and an inventor of sorts, developed the necessary tooling to produce masks on a semi-custom basis for himself and a few close friends. I consider myself very fortunate to have been included in the latter category.

In early years during the genesis of recreational diving the masks were either too large, too small, too stiff or after a few dives, would rapidly deteriorate into a gummy, sticky mess. This did not make for comfortable diving! After using a number of the masks of that era,the Japanese imports, and the American made Sea Net, I decided it was time to contact Charlie to ask him if he could make one of his custom masks for me.

After checking my meager finances, found I could possibly afford one of Charlie's masks, so I gave him a call. "Sure, Sammy, I'd be happy to make a mask for you, come on over", Charlie replied to my request. Within moments I was off to the temple of Southern California diving, Charlie Sturgil's garage.

I was met by this jovial hunk of a man with his infectious, ever-prsent
smile. "Hey ya, Sammy" was always his cordial greeting. Alter a few moments of catching up on the diving scene it, was time to get to work. "Sammy, I'm now making two masks; the original for $6.00 and a new oval model for $8.00", Charlie explained. After considerable soul searching and penny counting, I opted for what I felt I could afford, the original round mask for $6.00.

Now, Charlie's garage was something to behold. It appeared to be in total disarray, and the best way to describe it would be the day after a big sale in a bargain basement. Diving equipment in various stages of repairs, pieces of metal, lengths of stainless rods scattered about... Omnipresent was the huge metal turret lathe and miscellaneous metal working machines. But to Charlie, it was his arena, it was where he excelled in turning these seemingly scrap pieces of metal into custom spear points, spear shafts, yes, even masks.

Charlie knew the location, size, shape and type of everything in his garage. His storage system was logical and certainly workable, but it still defies the imagination how he managed to find anything, let alone make anything, but he did.
Charlie went to work with the speed and skill of a emergency room surgeon. He immediately uncovered a length of 5 inch O.D. soft rubber World War 11, surplus firehose, from which he cut a 4 inch piece. He placed the piece of rubber hose in the wooden mold and proceeded to his trusty bench grinder where he slowly cut a 1/8 inch wide, 3/32 deep groove all around the edge for the glass. This was followed by the rough contouring for the forehead, cheeks, and upper lip. He then went to his metal rack and withdrew a piece of 3/4 x 16 inch 22 gauge stainless steel, which he placed in his specially constructed mold and carefully, yet skillfully, forced the stainless steel around the mold forming it into a familiar round mask shape. His next step was to form the band evenly and smoothly around the mold creating the lip for the compression hand with light rapid laps of a hammer. Using silver solder, the welding process of the era, he soldered the tabs for the strap and the compression screw tabs to complete the band. A piece of pre-cut 1/3 inch glass, the same kind used for window glass, was taken from the shelf and fit into the groove; the compression band placed around the mask and the compression screw tightened.

At last, the mask was assembled. My own custom Sturgil mask! Charlie proceeded to take some cursory measurements of my then youthful face, and returned to the grinding wheel, skillfully grinding a little here, a little there, another trial fit, a little more grinding. Finally, a perfect fit. A final hand finish with fine sandpaper, attaching of the strap, cut from a truck inner tube, and I was the proud possessor of a real genuine Charlie Sturgil Original Style Diving Mask.

This occurred many years ago when diving as well as life was much simpler, a time when pride in workmanship and ownership were at a premium. Charlie made almost 40 of these one of a kind custom dive masks, however only three are known to have survived the rigors of our disposable society, mine, Alex Pierce's of Toronto, Canada and Charlie's widow's Laura's mask which now on loan and rests in a Southern California museum. And indeed they are museum pieces... the three remaining masks are all almost sixty five years old and represent an era which was experienced by only a precious few which will never be experienced again upon this earth.

Charlie has reverend position in the fraternity of diving pioneers; he won the world's second Spearfishing contest in 1950 with a pole spear, was a LA County Underwater Instructor and serendipity developed much of the spearfishing and SCUBA equipment which has become mainstream in todays diving.

I will never forget Charlie, nor will anyone who ever knew him.... nor will there ever be another mask like a Sturgil Mask.
Dr Samuel Miller,111"

(Copyright Dr. Samuel Miller,111 & Dr. Samuel Miller,IV and Lee/CCnews/TPR; may not be used with out permission of author and Lee/CCnews)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
post script;
Charlie passed on November 15 1984, 33 years ago- long before many of you were born or were engaged in this noble activity. His devoted wife Laura passed on a several years ago at the age of 90.

If Charlie knew you and liked you he always addressed you in the familiar; Ie Sammy, Bobbie, Jimmie,--Those he didn't have great admiration or didn't know well it was formal Sam, Bob or Jim.
A little about Charlie Sturgil...

Charlie along with team mates the late Bud Abernathy and Freddie Kittles of the SoCal Skin Divers team won the 1951 "International Spearfishing Meet at Laguna Beach California. Bud and Freddie used a Sturgil modified Champion Arbaletes with Sturgil points. Charlie used his trusty legendary pole spear.

Charlie Sturgil was the only person in the history of spearfishing competition to win an international meet with a pole spear.

Currently the Fathomiers spearfishing club has been presenting the "Charlie Sturgil Pole Spear Spearfishing meet" for about 40 years...It came full circle when Charlie's grand daughter, Laura Lee Gonta won the meet several years ago using one of grandfather Charlie's legendary pole spears.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There were only 40 mask made and only 40 who were privileged to dive with one-- I am the only survivor of that privileged tribe...only three mask remain...
Mine, which is the oldest only because I have keep it stored in a 50 Cal Ammo box all these years."

So Marie!3 that was the way it was..

Keep posting "The Undersea World of Marie 13" I certainly enjoy them . Judging from your responses and the many providing good solid advice I suspect many others also enjoy them

Good luck in your search for a mask and all the other items required by the modern diver

SDM 111
 
You need to do a little bit of a home science experiment. You need to figure out a way to find out where the leak comes from (left side, right side, both, top, bottom, both) to figure out the best way to fix it if no one can figure it out. It sounds silly and don't drown yourself but something as simple and holding your breath and putting your head in a full bathtub may let you focus on where the leak is coming from. Also, if it only happens when you have your regulator in your mouth when you do this it could have to do with how your are biting down or placing your mouth on the reg causing a gap in the skirt on your cheeks.

This is not a standard thing people do to check masks but you need to figure out someway to diagnose this if you've gone through this many masks and your local mentors can't help.

The leaks all come from the bottom.
 
So the strap tabs went on the band? Interesting, never thought of that...
 
If it didn't leak, and now it does leak, the problem is you've changed something. Either in your equalization procedure, the lack of some sort of preparation (I have to wax the stache and beard), or the mask has suffered some sort of failure.
 

Back
Top Bottom