a spin off to the dying a hero thread...

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Dumping fake problems on a diver with 5 dives in doubles, while futzing with a flooded mask and a deco bottle isn't teaching anything.

How do you know?

Teaching proper procedures FIRST prevents a "crisis" from happening.

Not always. Some things that happen in diving are unexpected.

"Surprise" out of air situations are silly and dangerous. I had that done to me in one of my classes, and I didn't get much out of it. I got much more out of being air-gunned and responding appropriately to it.

I got a lot out of it. Airgunning, I did not find stressful. To each their own... people learn in different ways.

Your initial post was to condemn the instructor and to say that turning off someone's air will lead to panic. Given you do not appear to be a technical diving instructor, nor have much experience with stress testing, I thought it was a bit harsh and not true across the board...
 
Yah. Cause task loading with priorities isn't a good skill. I seem to recall a dive where my mentor let me hold the dive flag, then unclipped my stage, then came off his CCR loop with an OOA while I was working on reclipping with my free hand. Priority (after a middle finger) went to giving the man air, picking the flag back up, then reclipping the stage. I learned I could function while solving other problems by solving the vital ones first.

I'm gonna say it: ITT people who were never stressed in a similar way being butthurt by an incident that they never got in training and have yet to have happen in real life complaining about an instructor they don't know.

People learn at different rates, and are ready for things at different paces. Just because you had 500 dives in doubles before you slung a 19, and 500 more before you slung a 40, doesn't mean some one else needs that many or more. An instructor shouldn't pass you if you aren't ready (unless you are from a certain dive shop in Florida, producing cluster divers!). If OP is ready and isn't a menace to the world, who cares how many dives they have?
 
How do you know?



Not always. Some things that happen in diving are unexpected.



I got a lot out of it. Airgunning, I did not find stressful. To each their own... people learn in different ways.

Your initial post was to condemn the instructor and to say that turning off someone's air will lead to panic. Given you do not appear to be a technical diving instructor, nor have much experience with stress testing, I thought it was a bit harsh and not true across the board...

Really?? You believe this?? If you reach crisis level in Technical diving then it didnt just happen. You screwed up, and more than likely broke multiple rules. Or your situational awareness sucks.
 
Really?? You believe this?? If you reach crisis level in Technical diving then it didnt just happen. You screwed up, and more than likely broke multiple rules. Or your situational awareness sucks.

No one ever has to bailout of CCR. Lights never flood. Regs don't free flow. Roses grow everywhere and women don't poop.
 
Really?? You believe this?? If you reach crisis level in Technical diving then it didnt just happen. You screwed up, and more than likely broke multiple rules. Or your situational awareness sucks.

Well given one of my buddies has had a cave collapse on him, then yes, I do think unexpected things happen.

I also think that nearly everyone has the capacity to screw up.
 
No one ever has to bailout of CCR. Lights never flood. Regs don't free flow. Roses grow everywhere and women don't poop.

None of those are a crisis, just an inconvienance.
 
Well given one of my buddies has had a cave collapse on him, then yes, I do think unexpected things happen.

I also think that nearly everyone has the capacity to screw up.

I dont call that a crisis either. Collapses happen, I have been hit by falling rocks more than once. If he died, it was very bad luck, if he lived I say he had great luck. And hell of a story to tell.
 
I have not gone through TECH training (yet) BUT - I would really like for someone to specifically address the question the KEEPS POPPING UP - and getting ignored -


Is it against STANDARDS for an instructor to shut down your gas? (NOT, NOT, NOT - do you think it should be wrong, do you think it should be ok, did it happen to you, etc - these keep getting answered)



Also - What agencies allow it ( if any) and what agencies say it is against standards?
 

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