A beginner in tech -- TDI or IANTD?
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modzs
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Blackwood
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What now?
I have both IANTD and TDI advanced nitrox cards. I'm not sure I can get 100% with the former, and I don't recall anything about decoing at 1.5 max...
Sure, I'd be curious. It's wrong, BTW.
Too bad the website only goes back to 2009. I'd be curious to see if the writer had any real knowledge of GUE or GUE divers.
Although I will admit that we have a tendency to dive with one another, because it's easy, some of my favorite dive buddies are not GUE divers at all.
Slamfire
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From http://www.sfdj.com/fall/mee.html:
Perhaps, for the enlightenment of the OP and other readers, some of the GUE divers participating in this thread can properly explain Rule Number 1 and why it does not automatically equate to "GUE diver ONLY dive with GUE diver."
I can definitely see it plausible for someone to interpret the text quoted above into "someone from the organization saying that GUE diver ONLY dive with GUE diver."
Perhaps, for the enlightenment of the OP and other readers, some of the GUE divers participating in this thread can properly explain Rule Number 1 and why it does not automatically equate to "GUE diver ONLY dive with GUE diver."
Blackwood
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I find it interesting that a discussion of which agency to use to get into "Tech" diving has turned into a GUE/DIR snobfest....GUE is the best!!...GUE sucks ass!!!....Nuh UHH!!!...Yes HUH!
Freaking hilarious.
Freaking hilarious.
Slamfire
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I'm not GUE trained. But I can relate to you my experience about the last time I dove with GUE trained divers. It was the 2nd dive of the day at a local scubaboard gathering. It was raining and some people got cold during the Surface Interval. A few of us decided to go on a second dive. So we reshuffled buddies. I almost always dive my doubles in a configuration that a friend from FL called "pseudo DIR" (I don't carry a can light and I have an extra D-ring on the right hip). So I ended up buddying with the 2 GUE guys. I warned them I am not DIR trained and told them, "you might be fracturing rule #1 by diving with me", while I pointed to the light and the D-ring. They asked, "huh?". So I clarified, "yeah, rule #1: don't dive with strokes". It was their turn to clarify, "rule #1 is don't dive with unsafe divers. You're not an unsafe diver." And then they proceeded to transfill some of their 32% into my 21% filled doubles just so that we go out with a more balanced volume of gas among the team members.
You're going to find jerks in all sorts of associations and places. It doesn't mean everybody in the same association is a jerk. Also, if you think about it, the zealot jerk interpretation of rule #1 is self defeating and would lead into the extinction of DIR divers. How easy do you think it would be to try to recruit new converts with that exclusivist attitude? It is my opinion that GUE has noted this and is making an effort to distance itself from the exclusivist zealot image - maybe even away from the DIR moniker.
You're going to find jerks in all sorts of associations and places. It doesn't mean everybody in the same association is a jerk. Also, if you think about it, the zealot jerk interpretation of rule #1 is self defeating and would lead into the extinction of DIR divers. How easy do you think it would be to try to recruit new converts with that exclusivist attitude? It is my opinion that GUE has noted this and is making an effort to distance itself from the exclusivist zealot image - maybe even away from the DIR moniker.
Bill Mee's comments in the Florida Dive Journal article are a rather extreme version of Rule 1, because he includes gear configuration into the statement. I don't think any of us would argue that it's unreasonable to avoid diving with someone who doesn't share your view of how buddies should behave toward one another, or how gas should be managed. If you refuse to maintain gas reserves that will get both of us to the surface safely, in my view, you ARE an unsafe diver, and I would refuse to do that dive with you. But with respect to gear, I think most of us (DIR/GUE divers) would evaluate someone's gear configuration with an eye to whether it appeared to be safe, rather than whether it appeared the same as ours. But I'm sure people become more sticklers as the magnitude and risk of the dives increases.
ucfdiver
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To be fair to Bill, he's stating that in the context of the WKPP. It's very important that we realize that the WKPP, while done for fun, is well outside the realm of recreational diving. Those guys don't have time to discuss "minor" differences between teammates. Every diver and piece of gear (within reason) has to be as replaceable as possible. Someone expecting to do 30ft deco support might be asked to do something at 150ft in a moments notice. If a member of a support team has a flat tire, and they're dropping deco gas, they need to have someone else fill in. They can't always ensure these divers have ever set foot in the water together, but they're up against a timeline to get all divers in the water by the time the park opens at 8am, plus have the beach clean for swimmers. That means borrowing gear if something goes wrong, or moving dive teams around. This is a case of necessity, not any of those guys trying to be rude.
I personally have a set of buddies that I do mission oriented dives with. I love meeting new divers, but I simply don't feel comfortable trying to solve a miscommunication on a relining, mapping, exploration, or any other working dive. If we're out of town diving where we have hotel/gas $$$ invested, I want to dive with like minded buddies so that we can overcome most gear failures with spare gear that we each bring. If we're doing a simple dive in a tourist cave, I'm a lot more open to diving styles that don't mirror mine.
I personally have a set of buddies that I do mission oriented dives with. I love meeting new divers, but I simply don't feel comfortable trying to solve a miscommunication on a relining, mapping, exploration, or any other working dive. If we're out of town diving where we have hotel/gas $$$ invested, I want to dive with like minded buddies so that we can overcome most gear failures with spare gear that we each bring. If we're doing a simple dive in a tourist cave, I'm a lot more open to diving styles that don't mirror mine.
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