7 foot hose Rec. Diving?

[nereas]

No, not at all like that.
We would never point and make
fun of someone in a half a bikini.

Agreed, I certainly would not (point and/or make fun).

Drool, maybe, yes. But certain not discourage in any way.

 

[Meng_Tze]

Most agencies in this area use Inflater Integrated Octo's.

Agencies (NAUI, PADI, SSI etc) or diveshops/instructors?

 

[RonFrank]

Agencies (NAUI, PADI, SSI etc) or diveshops/instructors?

I should say LDS/Instructors.

We have mostly PADI shops (like 10 of them!), and those I've visited (most) use the Air2/Octo+. We have one SSI shop that I know of, and I have no idea what they use for rental/instruction gear. The pool is downstairs, and other than a brief glance, I did not look closely.

 

[TheRedHead]

Youre missing the point.

I think if you would avail yourself of an ITC/IDC then you would gain a greater appreciation of why local dive stores and why certification-training agencies do what they do. There is a really big picture involved.

What do you mean by that? What's the big picture?

 

[John_B]

Actually I feel it is a beautiful analogy, because there are so many people (mostly DIRF) crying and crying about why the training agencies do not teach cave protocols from the get-go. And according to that crybaby mentality, why not doubles too?

Heck, why not CCRs from the get-go too???

I just want to dive safely. I guess that makes me one of the crybabies. OK, fine, whatever...

If I have a complaint about the agencies its not about whether or not to learn "cave protocols" in OW class, its that they still teach skill "development" kneeling on the bottom of a pool or dive platform instead of mid water.

What it really comes back to is that "cave protocols" can work in OW if you want them to. Or you can use the standard training of primary/octo/stab jacket. But a do-it-my-own-way approach of mixing and matching the long hose and a "standard" length octo is probably going to be a disaster. A seven footer in a stab jacket with no light or belt webbing to stuff the excess hose length into is probably not going to work very well either. Do the long hose w/ a bungeed backup, or don't. Which ever way you go learn the matching protocols.

John

 

[nereas]

I just want to dive safely. I guess that makes me one of the crybabies. OK, fine, whatever...

If I have a complaint about the agencies its not about whether or not to learn "cave protocols" in OW class, its that they still teach skill "development" kneeling on the bottom of a pool or dive platform instead of mid water.

What it really comes back to is that "cave protocols" can work in OW if you want them to. Or you can use the standard training of primary/octo/stab jacket. But a do-it-my-own-way approach of mixing and matching the long hose and a "standard" length octo is probably going to be a disaster. A seven footer in a stab jacket with no light or belt webbing to stuff the excess hose length into is probably not going to work very well either. Do the long hose w/ a bungeed backup, or don't. Which ever way you go learn the matching protocols.

John

Well if you think kneeling on the bottom is bad, then you must get heart attacks over the fin pivot drills!

 

[nereas]

What do you mean by that? What's the big picture?

The big picture is that it would be ludicrous for dive stores to mount 7 ft octo hoses on all their rental gear. Particularly when the training agencies (NAUI, YMCA, SSI, PADI, etc.) have no provision in their teaching standards for training with these items in an OW1 course.

The training standards are written for 40 inchers.

 

[Brewone0to]

Hey, I already know I am cooler .

N

Diving in colder water doesn't make
you cooler. It make you colder.
Therefore, Just because you feel colder.
Doesn't make you any "cooler".

 

[John_B]

Well if you think kneeling on the bottom is bad, then you must get heart attacks over the fin pivot drills!

Realizing we are on quite the tangent now: At least the idea of fin pivots is to teach neutral buoyancy, correct? Its just too bad the OW courses don't follow through on it (not without an exceptional instructor who goes above and beyond the standards).

John

 

[TheRedHead]

The big picture is that it would be ludicrous for dive stores to mount 7 ft octo hoses on all their rental gear. Particularly when the training agencies (NAUI, YMCA, SSI, PADI, etc.) have no provision in their teaching standards for training with these items in an OW1 course.

The training standards are written for 40 inchers.

The 7 foot hose is your primary anyway. If the agencies wanted to teach the long hose, they certainly could. Everyone goes into diving with a blank mental slate about how the equipment works. It would not make a bit of difference to a new diver whether they had a long hose or not.