4 Months in Prison for Breaking Quarantine in Cayman Islands

[Open Ocean Diver]

And quarantine for 14 days

Or find themselves in prison. :-(

 

[tarponchik]

Due to the incubation period, a negative test result prior to and even on arrival is no guarantee that she was not still carrying the virus. My brother-in-law was exposed via a co-worker and initially tested negative 2 days later - however, he quarantined to be safe only to develop symptoms by day 13 and then test positive. So this was not about her protecting herself as you want to suggest as, until she completed her 14 day quarantine (as she agreed to do to gain entry to the island), she was still a potential risk to others.

In our world, there is no guarantees for anything. However, current rules for healthcare workers (at least the rules I am familiar with, but I can't guarantee this applies to all hospitals) state that those workers who have no symptoms and tested negative are considered to be of no risk and can continue to work. I do not see any reasons why this rule shouldn't apply to general public, despite the fact that there are obviously some false-negative test results. The bottom line is to cut down COVID transmission rate and to reduce social contacts without attempting reaching the zeroes.

The initial claims that about 80% of COVID cases are asymptomatic were disproved later and more realistic estimates of only 17-20% were given, with only about half of the asymptomatic carriers developing symptoms later. However, these claims of 80% did their damage by scaring the public.

 

[Joneill]

In our world, there is no guarantees for anything. However, current rules for healthcare workers (at least the rules I am familiar with, but I can't guarantee this applies to all hospitals) state that those workers who have no symptoms and tested negative are considered to be of no risk and can continue to work. I do not see any reasons why this rule shouldn't apply to general public, despite the fact that there are obviously some false-negative test results. The bottom line is to cut down COVID transmission rate and to reduce social contacts without attempting reaching the zeroes.

The initial claims that about 80% of COVID cases are asymptomatic were disproved later and more realistic estimates of only 17-20% were given, with only about half of the asymptomatic carriers developing symptoms later. However, these claims of 80% did their damage by scaring the public.

I get all of that - but it’s irrelevant to the topic that this thread is supposed to be about!

Regardless of this girl’s test results, she was required to and agreed to quarantine for 14 days as part of the Cayman government’s regulations for limited reopening. They put this plan in place to attempt to prevent introducing any significant community spread as a result of starting to let foreigners back in. That’s their rule (justified or not - not up to us to question) and she premeditatedly violated that requirement and, as a result, potentially introduced unnecessary risk to the local population.

In addition, many of us love the Cayman Islands as a dive destination and her actions could put the broader reopening plans at risk - hence the interest in her being held accountable and getting an appropriate penalty!

 

[jonhall]

Reporter: Broke covid laws, violating 2 week quarantine, removed tracking bracelet even though she tested negative

There is nothing here "about the other side" because, as you kindly highlighted in bold, she tested negative. She should have worn the mask in public, of course, to protect herself.

I highlighted that part because I felt or interpreted the reporter to say these particular rules were broken even though she tested negative and that by testing negative, that should make a difference in her favor - just another way to slant the story - but that was my interpretation. I just thought it was interesting that the reporter either didn't get or share the viewpoint from a CI representative of why the penalty was deemed appropriate. Otherwise, don't start off saying it's a controversial story if you're not sharing what the controversy is.

Due to the incubation period, a negative test result prior to and even on arrival is no guarantee that she was not still carrying the virus.

This is the one I don't understand - the testing upon arrival. For most of the islands, some type of COVID testing has to be done at home within a window before traveling to the island. From that point the rules may vary. There is some possibility that the tested person could be exposed at the airport (a lot of what I've heard/seen is that planes are pretty safe but the airport can be another story.) CI gives the test upon arrival. A friend returned from the Bahamas and they had to take the test 4 or 5 days (somebody check me) after arrival. That means they could have been out exposing others until they took their test. Whatever the case, people just need to educate themselves before traveling to faraway places.

 

[Joneill]

I highlighted that part because I felt or interpreted the reporter to say these particular rules were broken even though she tested negative and that by testing negative, that should make a difference in her favor - just another way to slant the story - but that was my interpretation. I just thought it was interesting that the reporter either didn't get or share the viewpoint from a CI representative of why the penalty was deemed appropriate. Otherwise, don't start off saying it's a controversial story if you're not sharing what the controversy is.



This is the one I don't understand - the testing upon arrival. For most of the islands, some type of COVID testing has to be done at home within a window before traveling to the island. From that point the rules may vary. There is some possibility that the tested person could be exposed at the airport (a lot of what I've heard/seen is that planes are pretty safe but the airport can be another story.) CI gives the test upon arrival. A friend returned from the Bahamas and they had to take the test 4 or 5 days (somebody check me) after arrival. That means they could have been out exposing others until they took their test. Whatever the case, people just need to educate themselves before traveling to faraway places.

Agreed - lots of inconsistencies. Given the incubation period, these pre-arrival, on-arrival and post-arrival tests are really just attempts to minimize risk. There is no real guarantee that you haven’t let a spreader in, unless you couple it with a quarantine before you let them out with the locals.

Different countries have different approaches and tolerance to risk. I have my own thoughts about the overall reaction to this virus and the restrictions - but it’s irrelevant as the only thing that matters is the rules in place in the location that you are visiting.

As you say, educate yourself on and comply with local regulations - or expect to suffer the consequences.

 

[tarponchik]

I get all of that - but it’s irrelevant to the topic that this thread is supposed to be about!

Regardless of this girl’s test results, she was required to and agreed to quarantine for 14 days as part of the Cayman government’s regulations for limited reopening. They put this plan in place to attempt to prevent introducing any significant community spread as a result of starting to let foreigners back in. That’s their rule (justified or not - not up to us to question) and she premeditatedly violated that requirement and, as a result, potentially introduced unnecessary risk to the local population.

In addition, many of us love the Cayman Islands as a dive destination and her actions could put the broader reopening plans at risk - hence the interest in her being held accountable and getting an appropriate penalty!

I see. So, from your perspective, she is kind of a lamb that needs to be sacrificed to the Gods of Cayman Islands to please them into reopening? I wouldn't bet that the sacrifice will work. They do not depend on our return economically, so their zero tolerance attitude can last like, forever. Go to Roatan or Utila instead, or to Mexico. There are plenty of other places out there still open for us.

 

[Joneill]

I see. So, from your perspective, she is kind of a lamb that needs to be sacrificed to the Gods of Cayman Islands to please them into reopening? I wouldn't bet that the sacrifice will work. They do not depend on our return economically, so their zero tolerance attitude can last like, forever. Go to Roatan or Utila instead, or to Mexico. There are plenty of other places out there still open for us.

Please don’t put words in my mouth. You clearly have some sort of a personal issue with the Cayman Islands as was evident in your offensive post where you referred to them as a “that sh_tty little country” (mods are obviously asleep at the wheel in this thread, btw).

4 Months in Prison for Breaking Quarantine in Cayman Islands

I respect the laws of the countries that I visit and have zero tolerance for those that don’t - especially, in this case where the selfish individual potentially put others at risk with her actions.

She did the crime so she should pay the price - sorry if that is not in-line with your moral compass.

You also don’t seem to get that businesses are struggling and closing in the Caymans and they want to expand the reopening - however, if more selfish/entitled little brats continue to flout the rules, it will make that much harder.

 

[Miyaru]

Anybody commenting on this? I am surprised by the silence...
UPDATED: Bush won't serve jail time for assault - Cayman Compass

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4 Months in Prison for Breaking Quarantine in Cayman Islands

I respect the laws of the countries that I visit and have zero tolerance for those that don’t - especially, in this case where the selfish individual potentially put others at risk with her actions.
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So if I understand this correctly, some politician is allowed to get away without prison time from assaulting a woman.
A tourist is getting 4 month in prison for breaking quarantine.
This is how it works in Cayman?

@Joneill As for your subjective description of the selfish individual: Yes, there's a virus traveling around the world and it's affecting everybody sooner or later. It's gonna knock on your door eventually.
It's very human to try to blame somebody else for transmitting that virus and very understandable, but we never did so with influenza. That we do so with sars-cov-2, is based on the fear that's being instilled by everyone around you.

There is only one single mechanism that will keep you healthy: your own immune system. If that doesn't do it's job, blame yourself first. Blaming someone else won't make your immune system any better. If your immune system doesn't work right now, it won't all of a sudden start working when you get a vaccine. Your immune system won't improve in a four months period while you lock up somebody who apparently has a working immune system.

But for those with a weak health, the fear is very, very real. It's life threatening, this sars-cov-2 virus.
Mother nature is trying to take them out of the gene pool, and she's an un-ethical bitch for doing so.
And since humans are able to see the ethical side as well, the whole world has restricted social contacts throughout 2020. We stopped traveling. We started wearing masks. We all pinned our hopes on a vaccine. And we blamed others for traveling, for gathering, for socialising.

2021 is coming. The vaccine as well.
A year with this virus has given your immune system a chance to react. A year of time to learn and evolve. And if you haven't met the virus yet, the vaccine will give your immune system a wake up call. When the majority is vaccinated, it's time to return to normal life.

Because living with a mask over your mouth and nose isn't normal.
Not being allowed to go to see an event isn't normal.

Not everybody will survive this. And that's really sad. But none of these measures will change that. It'll just delay the inevitable. And that's really a though thing to accept.

 

[divinh]

Taiwan 253 days without community spread... then broken with a pilot visiting a local woman. 170 people go into quarantine... Christmas activities suspended...

Fine: $10,600 USD, for failing to declare contacts and activities

Airline fires pilot blamed for Taiwan's first Covid case in months

 

[Centrals]

Naughty

The case has nothing to do with "naughtiness" it was plain "selfish" which is entirely different matter.