300 ft Dive, Who Is This?

[rockjock3]

Worse than that, a Dutch PADI instructor at Alona Beach told his 3 OW students just a few weeks ago that he had dived to 80 metres on air. When I mentioned about the dangers Ox Tox and Narcosis he said that as he was young and could handle his drink he thought he was okay. Later I took him aside and said that if he dived to 80 metres with a buddy that was his business, but that he was irresponsible to tell his students that he had done so. His answer was a dismissive "Okay". Now I've seen this U tube video, I can see where he gets his ideas from. Perhaps he should do a search for "diving accidents" on U tube. The result of the top hit is chilling.

Yea, I second the reporting him if you can. There are things that PADI might wash under the table, but something like that I would think they would be very interested in as is can directly endanger the students. At least I would hope they would be interested.

 

[rockjock3]

EGO? I cannot think of any other reason people would climb cliffs, in the first place, or jump out of a plane, for that matter. You are sort of describing two types of people: ones that want to *live* and ones who don't want to *die* and they are both doing things with slightly different technique, doesn't that strike you as funny?

First of all 3000+ big walls are not cliffs. Cliffs are cliffs. As for why people would climb it is the same reasons I dive, wanted to skydive, raced motorcycles, etc. I just can't tell you why on here as I at least have some sort of reputation to uphold.

 

[crab lover]

Deep. Doctor?

I am a psychology-aholic. I have more books on Jung than any one person who is not a practicing doctor should...

 

[rockjock3]

This was my thread, if I remember correctly. I am almost positive you are a closet stroke, anyway. Strokes have unified teams too, you know.

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See Catherine, this is a perfect example of the Ego coming into it that I talked about. Here you are with some basic thread skills and some advanced posting training and now with no disclaimer you simply open this thread, incite all of us and then try to take sole ownership of the thread back. This thread has grown beyond you and all of us now. I tell you, the nerve of some people.

 

[crab lover]

There are the thrill seekers who actually have significantly less amounts of seritonin in their system, so it takes greater and more extreme daredevil acts to give them the adrenalin rush, the rest of us would get with less stimulus. Then there are those who don't need the additional stimulus, and are happy with less.

This is all well and good for the extreme people, but my problem is video recording it, posting it for all to see, and not putting a disclaimer that this is not the norm and should not be attempted by anyone. There are too many people who are influenced by what they see on TV or the internet, and if they don't have someone say to them, "this is dangerous, you could die", they think it's ok to do.

 

[rockjock3]

Here are some of the reasons I do all those things (diving, climbing, motorcycles, attempted skydiving).

1. Conquer some fears I have (heights). Not afraid of water or speed.
2. Push myself beyond what I might have thought myself capable (as safely as possible).
3. Spiritual aspects.

Ego is all about what somebody does for others. Hey I can dive to 200fsw can you. I did it on air can you. Here look I have a video of it all.

What I do (as well as the people that I dive with) I do for me and only me. Don't get me wrong, I am not talking about my attention spent on my buddy, I am simply talking about the reasons that I do what I do.

 

[KrisB]

Ok, this has been said one too many times for me not to jump on it.

What is with the thinking that putting a disclaimer on something makes it OK?

I mean, are we really that naive to think that someone prefacing a video like this with "this is done by [trained / stupid / thrill-seeking / whatever] individuals. Do not try this yourself without a similar level of [training / stupidity / thrill-seekingness / whatever]" some how reduces the number of people that might try it?

Ultimately, the only thing that does is defends the author's actions in court if someone said "they saw this video and it looked safe..." Anyone holding an Open Water Diver card knows and understands that this is not within the boundaries of normal recreational diving. And they also know (assuming they read what they signed when they were certified / took that last boat dive charter / whatever) that diving is a dangerous sport and YOU CAN DIE BECAUSE OF DIVING.

 

[sea nmf]

OK. This is an example of something I cannot relate to. I have to take it at face value that someone would try this without being trained. I only believe there are people that would do it because you say so. I simply cannot relate to that, is all.

And I agree that if someone is ignorant enough to do it in the first place, a disclaimer won't affect them. If you are a certified diver, you should know the physiology of diving. In my opinion, that is the sole purpose of the OW class.

 

[crab lover]

It's a "monkey see, monkey do" kind of situation. The guys that did the video pushed the boundaries of what is safe to their extreme and beyond, but they lived and did post the video of them successfully doing it. If they are certified divers, knowing the physiology of diving, and still did what they did, then there are others out there just like them watching and thinking "They did it, I can do that too!"

No, a disclaimer will not stop others from doing the same if they have set their mind to it, but maybe a disclaimer MIGHT make another person think twice before copying them. I do not see a disclaimer as a "get out of jail free" card, but as a warning that the actions are not safe and should not be attempted. Of course, these guys were stupid enough to do it in the first place, so they are not going to warn others not to do it, and they posted the video for all the world to see how proud they are for doing it. This where my irritation at them comes from.

 

[sea nmf]

No, a disclaimer will not stop others from doing the same if they have set their mind to it, but maybe a disclaimer MIGHT make another person think twice before copying them. I do not see a disclaimer as a "get out of jail free" card, but as a warning that the actions are not safe and should not be attempted. Of course, these guys were stupid enough to do it in the first place, so they are not going to warn others not to do it, and they posted the video for all the world to see how proud they are for doing it. This where my irritation at them comes from.

We can certainly agree on this. (your signature line is a sort of disclaimer, tho LOL