advanced open water with padi or naui

[wetb4igetinthewater]

Any instructor can have a very strict interpretation of performance requirements and put students through the paces that guarantees an improvement in skills.

That said, NAUI does allow for an instructor to add performance/skills requirements to courses, so the potential quality of a course will be higher in such agencies as opposed to those that prohibit additional performance requirements for certification.

 

[ChuckP]

Price and geography is my standard gauge

Cheapest price, with the nicest geography

and if they're throwing in accommodation

Well!

I cringe when I see posts like this and I'm not knocking you at all - there are many folks that feel this way.

I've seen more than a few AOW classes from different businesses - some really stand out, some really just cover the basics.

You're paying for an instructors time (and the dives) - as long as there is value with knowledged gained, the cheapest price isn't always the best but the instructor has to be putting forth the extra effort covering all aspects of recreational diving.

 

[boulderjohn]

That said, NAUI does allow for an instructor to add performance/skills requirements to courses, so the potential quality of a course will be higher in such agencies as opposed to those that prohibit additional performance requirements for certification.

What is really disturbing about this is that you know it is deceptive and write it anyway, as you have many times in the past. What is your purpose in doing this repeatedly?

For maybe the 200th time I have written this explanation in response to statements like this....

PADI instructors are allowed to add to the course; in fact, they are encouraged to do so. What they cannot do is fail a student for not reaching the instructor's performance standard on a requirement the instructor has added to the course. Since the standard PADI instructional mode is to teach the student as long as it takes to master a skill rather than fail the student, that restriction hardly matters.

 

[TMHeimer]

What is really disturbing about this is that you know it is deceptive and write it anyway, as you have many times in the past. What is your purpose in doing this repeatedly?

For maybe the 200th time I have written this explanation in response to statements like this....

PADI instructors are allowed to add to the course; in fact, they are encouraged to do so. What they cannot do is fail a student for not reaching the instructor's performance standard on a requirement the instructor has added to the course. Since the standard PADI instructional mode is to teach the student as long as it takes to master a skill rather than fail the student, that restriction hardly matters.

Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I guess what he's saying is it is more likely you get a better course with the agency that allows the instructor to add what he/she wants to add AND can include that when doing the grading/passing.
Maybe. But it's probably not true a lot of the time also.

 

[TMHeimer]

I cringe when I see posts like this and I'm not knocking you at all - there are many folks that feel this way.

I've seen more than a few AOW classes from different businesses - some really stand out, some really just cover the basics.

You're paying for an instructors time (and the dives) - as long as there is value with knowledged gained, the cheapest price isn't always the best but the instructor has to be putting forth the extra effort covering all aspects of recreational diving.

Agree for sure. Of course there are those who don't have much of a choice of where to do AOW based on where they live.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

What is really disturbing about this is that you know it is deceptive and write it anyway, as you have many times in the past. What is your purpose in doing this repeatedly?

For maybe the 200th time I have written this explanation in response to statements like this....

PADI instructors are allowed to add to the course; in fact, they are encouraged to do so. What they cannot do is fail a student for not reaching the instructor's performance standard on a requirement the instructor has added to the course. Since the standard PADI instructional mode is to teach the student as long as it takes to master a skill rather than fail the student, that restriction hardly matters.

John,

What is deceptive? PADI instructors can do anything they want. They cannot REQUIRE that.

NAUI instructors can require.

Nothing is deceptive about that. It is a simple fact. The fact you don't like that I mention it is not a concern of mine.

I don't know who appointed you as the defender of all things PADI.

 

[boulderjohn]

John,

What is deceptive? PADI instructors can do anything they want. They cannot REQUIRE that.

NAUI instructors can require.

Nothing is deceptive about that. It is a simple fact. The fact you don't like that I mention it is not a concern of mine.

Look at your wording. That is not what your average reader would get from what you wrote. What you wrote while technically true in its precise language is deceptive because it communicates something different to almost anyone. But you know that. You are good at it. You have been doing it for years.

 

[Capt Jim Wyatt]

so the potential quality of a course will be higher

The potential also exists for the added skills to be useless or detrimental.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

Look at your wording. That is not what your average reader would get from what you wrote. What you wrote while technically true in its precise language is deceptive because it communicates something different to almost anyone. But you know that. You are good at it. You have been doing it for years.

Naw I've been pretty clear. Somehow your self esteem is tied to this which is not my concern.

The potential also exists for the added skills to be useless or detrimental.

Lol sure but that's a reach.

 

[Capt Jim Wyatt]

Lol sure but that's a reach.

How about ditch & don at the bottom of a 15 foot deep swimming pool?
It was part of my OW course decades ago. I suspect it is still done by some.