Resort's " New Normal " Rule - No AIR 2 or diving your long hose

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If you want to die.... sure thing.

One of my past regular dive buddies was notorious for his suffering of sea sickness.
He regular threw-up through his regulator, took it out of his mouth gave it a purge and a quick rinse and put it back in. Very good for attracting fish life!
He was so bad that we would often be the first in if it was a rough trip out, and he made a point of trying to be the last out, so he didn't have to wait around on the deck. OK, except if the conditions where bad I ended up with a 40 minute zero vis' dive.
 
It’s a lot easier to take the reg out before you puke.

Perhaps, but you shouldn't do that.
 
If you want to die.... sure thing. Removing a regulator when puking happened last year in Cebu to a Korean lass. She drowned at around 20m depth, was brought to the surface and given CPR, and taken to a hospital. She did survive but was in a coma for several weeks.

She won't ever dive again. No instructor ever taught her what to do if she had to puke on a dive. Not something in the skill set taught in courses nowadays. It was taught in my BSAC Sport Diving Novice course and we were actually given Ipecac and trained and practiced keeping your regulator in your mouth. Puke first, get through all the puking and then swap your reg and purge and clean the primary.
That has to be the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard a diver to do. To deliberately make themselves sick and risk choking for training
 
Your assumption that “american” cave divers hit cave ceilings frequently is arrogant at best and shows your cluelessness. Carry on.
It's not an assumption. I've seen it happen quite often... way too often... and in hard ceiling caves at that. These guys in highly decorated caves would easily break things.

We're a bit off the subject here, but you have to adapt to different environments and not everyone does that gracefully. A high flow cave is so much different from a highly decorated low flow cave, which is different from a mine, which is different than a wreck. Arrogance is thinking that a full caver, such as myself, can go anywhere and dive anything. A good caver listens to input about the environment and adjusts accordingly.

However, I've had draconian rules placed upon me by various entities. You should obey those rules, until such a time that you can't. I dive to survive. I don't dive in fear, and I don't follow directions because of fear.

However, after reading all the angst about running out of air, my suggestion is to dive in such a way that you don't and won't. If divers would spend a tenth of the energy fretting about what to do when you run out of air on air management, the former would be less important. Do you know your SAC? Do you know your buddy's SAC? How much air do both of you have? Do you follow your buddy's air supply during the dive? Why not? One thing I ask all of my students is "how much air do you think your buddy has?" If your buddy runs out of gas, then two people failed.

It’s a lot easier to take the reg out before you puke.
Perhaps, but you shouldn't do that.
Why not? That's how I puke underwater. I certainly don't need vomit caught in my reg fouling it up. It might breathe wet and I'll be stressed enough if I'm puking. I might inspire a piece of that vomit as well. Talk about getting uber, uber stressed. I never, ever puke through my reg.
 
The down side, why it was dropped from training,
What training agency ever taught this? Can you post the standards to show that this is true. I find it preposterous.
 
What training agency ever taught this? Can you post the standards to show that this is true. I find it preposterous.
Many agencies recommend to keep the regulator in your mouth while vomiting. See here for example:
Can You Vomit Underwater While Scuba Diving?
Vertigo and Vomiting While Diving
Newbie Corner: Vomiting During a Dive - AquaViews
Throwing Up in Your Regulator
The Complete Guide to Throwing Up Underwater - SDI | TDI | ERDI | PFI

I have seen yet no one recommending to remove the second stage from your mouth while throwing up....
 
We used to practice breathing off the ABLJ from the crack bottle.

What training agency ever taught this? Can you post the standards to show that this is true. I find it preposterous.

I don’t have a copy of the syllabus from back them.

When I took up the sport in the late1970s I was in the military stationed in Belize. A number of BSAC instructors were flown out to conduct adventure training, which scuba was. We spent 2 weeks on St George’s Caye doing BSAC Snorkel Diver then 3rd Class Diver courses. One of the skills they had us do was breathing off the Fency (ABLJ [1]) with air from the crack bottle. I joined a UK civilian BSAC branch, the following year. There was a directive from HQ that breathing off the Fency bottle was no longer acceptable because of the increased risk of disease.

1. Adjustable Buoyancy Life Jacket
 
I have seen yet no one recommending to remove the second stage from your mouth while throwing up....
And yet, I've been quite successful at it.

There are rules based on science... like don't hold your breath.
There are rules based on tradition... like when I took my IDC, all my students had to kneel.
There are rules based on fear... like you can't use your long hose or airII at a particular resort.
There are rules based on utter BS... like don't puke in your reg.

Rules based on science seem to pass the test of time.
Rules based on tradition often change when we see the damage the tradition causes.
Rules based on fear pass when the fear passes.
There are too many rules based on BS and I ignore them as I discern them. No one has given me an adequate reason to puke in my reg. My own experience is that puking out of your reg is best... at least for me.

It reminds me of the captain that told me that a mask on the forehead was a certain sign of distress and that I owed him a six pack since he saw me with that. I told him that having your sunglasses on your forehead while explaining that to me was a certain sign that he was full of crap and he owed me a fifth of Scotch. It was good Scotch.

Training agencies once called NitrOx "voodoo gas". Training agencies once taught that you should never dive solo. Training agencies still make their instructors do CESAs, which is immoral as heck.
 
And yet, I've been quite successful at it.

There are rules based on science... like don't hold your breath.
There are rules based on tradition... like when I took my IDC, all my students had to kneel.
There are rules based on fear... like you can't use your long hose or airII at a particular resort.
There are rules based on utter BS... like don't puke in your reg.

Rules based on science seem to pass the test of time.
Rules based on tradition often change when we see the damage the tradition causes.
Rules based on fear pass when the fear passes.
There are too many rules based on BS and I ignore them as I discern them. No one has given me an adequate reason to puke in my reg. My own experience is that puking out of your reg is best... at least for me.

It reminds me of the captain that told me that a mask on the forehead was a certain sign of distress and that I owed him a six pack since he saw me with that. I told him that having your sunglasses on your forehead while explaining that to me was a certain sign that he was full of crap and he owed me a fifth of Scotch. It was good Scotch.

Training agencies once called NitrOx "voodoo gas". Training agencies once taught that you should never dive solo. Training agencies still make their instructors do CESAs, which is immoral as heck.
Wish I had a six pack :(. Either type will do... I'm not fussy
 
Best advice I could ever give anyone in diving: Think for yourself!!! Dive in a way to survive. Do what works for you. The agencies made this up as they went along. Ergo, not everything they teach is true. Not all Scuba instructors are created equal, either. Some have no clue as to the science and make up crap to justify how they dive. Only you know what's good for you. It's your dive: dive it well.
 
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