Resort's " New Normal " Rule - No AIR 2 or diving your long hose

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Problem is you exhale CO2 so the air in your BC has too high a CO2 to be safe.

Partly true but as someone else pointed out, you only use 6% O2 when you breath. You really breathe to remove CO2 but a person can take quite a bit before getting enough hypocapnia to not being conscience. I think as kids everyone has put a paper or plastic bag over their heads and seen what happens. Well I know I did lol. Or you can try it for yourself. You don't suddenly die.

In a life saving situation this could be the difference to being able to survive enough time to get to an air supply or to the surface.
Better than drowning like so many who never realized that they could have saved themselves in an extreme situation.
 
I’ve never used an octopus or ran out of air. In 50 years continuous diving I’ve donated twice and to me the mindset that if I run out of air I can always get it from someone else is ridiculous.

I do not believe we dive with that mindset. Isn't the point of having a dive buddy that in an emergency ( whatever that is ) we are there to assist.
 
We used to practice breathing off the ABLJ from the crack bottle.

From the article I linked but so true....

"there are a lot more cures for respiratory infections than there are for drowning"

Lot's of drowned OOG divers might have saved themselves if only they knew how.

"When faced with a life or death situation, should one give second thought to the small chance of a lung infection? Isn't being able to state a controlled emergency ascent or a buoyant emergency ascent safer if you have a few breaths of air from your BCD? Knowing you've got at least one more ace up your sleeve might help keep you cool as you weigh your options. Hopefully, you'll get things under control before you ever need to use your BCD as an alternate air source. But it's there if you need it."
 
I do not believe we dive with that mindset. Isn't the point of having a dive buddy that in an emergency ( whatever that is ) we are there to assist.
The reason the octopus was introduced was to make buddy breathing easy so obviously people do believe they can use someone else supply
 
The reason the octopus was introduced was to make buddy breathing easy so obviously people do believe they can use someone else supply

It's also there so when I puke I can clean out my mouth, switch to my secondary and purge my primary of any residual bile and gunk. Or in case it fails but I've never had my primary fail either.
 
It's also there so when I puke I can clean out my mouth, switch to my secondary and purge my primary of any residual bile and gunk. Or in case it fails but I've never had my primary fail either.
It’s a lot easier to take the reg out before you puke.
 
I have seen people in all sorts of tropical locations practice ooa drills. Not nearly as many as should, but anecdotally, it happens on occasion.

I've also seen significantly more air 2 users constantly use their air 2s throughout every single dive, giving very ingrained memory as to where it is when needed.

Almost as many as octopuses that I've seen dangling in the wind and dragging through the sand with a clueless diver as to there location.

Okay I'm finally going to step in here.

I can absolutely assure you that the vast majority of Rec divers (my sample from Teaching Tec is limited) have very poor skills

On each Continued Ed course all the way to DM, as well as specialities I review the main core skills on dive 1. These are briefed, and dry practiced before hitting the water

I'm nor looking for perfection nor demonstration quality, just competency. Mask skills tend to be passable - i.e. they get the job done but need refining. Reg remove and replace, not so much but OOA is generally a complete CF

Let me reinforce this. Despite briefing, dry practicing the skill, OOA is a disaster! Remember these skills are done during the dive (while swimming not stationary on knees) and with low stress they are appaling, often like rabbits in headlights

Often I know and respect the Instructor that has previously taught these divers, and know they they would have been drilled to mastery. Divers complete skills in training and don't bother to practice. Look how many post cert don't even bother with proper pre dive checks despite it being taught and complete before each training dive.

You would think, those that change their equipment configurations to Air 2 or L/H, because they've go ain interest their equipment would be up to speed. I assure you this isn't true for the most part.

When I took my DM course and had to get my skills to Demo quality - and I'll be honest and say a lot of my skills were only just about adequate at that point - because - 500 dives and complacency, I would spend many hours wandering the house muttering to myself with my hands seemingly randomly moving as I ran through each skill and critical movement in my head.

Much to my wife's amusement.

It's not difficult for any diver to dry practice their skills, it needs no gear yet ingrains all the steps in your mind

I still review regularly each of my skills, especially prior to teaching OW/DM to ensure I'm still current.


The issues I've pointed out, have all been shown under training when they would be expected. Imagine the CF when it happens IRL, when the problem comes out of the blue, where most divers task loading limit is basic buoyancy and breathing.

If you want further evidence of diver's unwillingness to practice or even be assessed, search for SB threads on Check dives and look at the push back from SBers who apparently know they're fabulous divers and resent anyone checking their skills.

On a busy weekend, I might swap between my conventional Jacket and reg set up to my BP/w with my "wierd" reg arrangement, to SM and longhose, and yet without thought I know where my gear is positioned and can demonstrate and perform skills with zero thought.

Divers who practice their skills can easily adapt quickly and easily to a different gear config with minimal thought.

The vast majority of divers can't achieve the same skills level they were expected to achieve on OW
 
It’s a lot easier to take the reg out before you puke.

If you want to die.... sure thing. Removing a regulator when puking happened last year in Cebu to a Korean lass. She drowned at around 20m depth, was brought to the surface and given CPR, and taken to a hospital. She did survive but was in a coma for several weeks.

She won't ever dive again. No instructor ever taught her what to do if she had to puke on a dive. Not something in the skill set taught in courses nowadays. It was taught in my BSAC Sport Diving Novice course and we were actually given Ipecac and trained and practiced keeping your regulator in your mouth. Puke first, get through all the puking and then swap your reg and purge and clean the primary.
 
It's also there so when I puke I can clean out my mouth, switch to my secondary and purge my primary of any residual bile and gunk.

That is the most unique reason for an Octopus I have ever seen.:) :vomit:

Or in case it fails but I've never had my primary fail either.

I've had a second stage fail, (one of my two OOG incidents). I got sand and gravel under the diaphram, resulting in it not sealing - result on inhalation a mouthful of water and no gas.

The second was a combination of hired twinset (rust and manifolds don't mix), high task loading.

I had a friend have a first stage split whilst he was on the Thistlgorm. Balls of steel, he just picked a passing divers octopus out of its clip, dumped all BCD air and waited for the bubbles to stop. Before a leisurely ascent and stop on an octopus at 6m.
 
The vast majority of divers can't achieve the same skills level they were expected to achieve on OW

Witnessed this yesterday, and it's too long a story to type out here at the moment due to lack of time to do so, but one diver almost ate the frikkin mouthpiece off a donated reg.

Some people were just not meant to dive!
 
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