I would like it to be on record WHO alleges these tanks are illegal and what PROOF do you have?.
Mark, you're showing a small scale version of the Stockholm Syndrome. You're invested in believing what's not true and defending the indefensible in the face of plain evidence for a reason that anyone who's taken a few psych courses can identify. Mostly you're emotionally invested in a belief system based on the fact that a decision that you made (and paid hard cash for) was predicated on your best beliefs, and to abandon that belief system is more painful than accepting that you got suckered in. It's like the "what rebreather is best" debate. At some point it turns into religion rather than reason
Nobody likes making a mistake. And you're defending (to beat a dead horse) a known felon who's already aided and abetted a convicted murderer to carry out another crime in which human life was placed below money. Let's frame the seriousness of that. If the guy with the gun had shot someone in the robbery, your friend Sotis would have been guilty of murder too and would have already been lashed to a gurney at Stark and shot full of barbiturates in front of witnesses. Florida doesn't screw around. It's not something that you just say "I'm sorry" for. And on one day of his life, Sotus thought that risk was ok in order to make a buck. Do you really think he gives a **** about you?
It's hard to accept that you might be wrong in your judgement of A: Him, and B: your decision to lay out cash because you did so. That's human nature.
It's not rational. But it's "taking sides with your captor" (see what I referenced above, the Stockholm Syndrome)
Most people would just be pissed off to have been taken advantage of. Others react like you are. That's part of what makes us each different as people. It's all a self defense mechanism
To your subject: there been plenty of proof here that the cylinders are "illegal", or at the very least "not legal for use" in the ways that you want to. I'll lay it out:
Legality:
1: Due to lack of DOT approval YOU, meaning the guy you're looking at in the mirror when you shave, yes YOU can't legally take them on a commercial dive boat, as per what Wookie (and the wonder cat) have brought forth. That was news to me. There's no argument that they aren't DOT.
2: Ian has recited the trail of the CE falsification if you read what he wrote for comprehension. They haven't passed the slightest bit of scrutiny under CE, and even more so CE DOES NOT "certify" cylinders for legality. So CE by itself doesn't mean **** even if the tags weren't made up.
3: There is no standard set by any nation as certification on these cylinders. None. Not Norwegian, or UK, or US, or Transport Canada, or any. They really aren't legal "anyplace where high pressure cylinders are regulated"
Dude: what other proof do you want?
As for safety (as opposed to legality: We have a very highly qualified fabric and composite materials engineer telling you that they have failure modes that can't be tested for, and which may not be evident immediately.
It's not really debatable that these cylinders are bad.
Really.
But rather than look at all of this with open eyes, you're preferring to believe a guy who conspired with a convicted murderer out on parole to drive the cut-out car after an armed robbery, and who then lived on the lam with 5 false ID's and who sold used cars state-to-state and wasn't caught until he was featured on Americas Most Wanted.
Because... You... Trust...him... More... Than... All ... That... Evidence....
I see.
That makes perfect sense.
On the planet Trafalmador ( who can make that cultural reference?).
>bangs head on desk< Damn that hurt. Stupidity SHOULD hurt. (Rubs head). I won't do that again. And you should learn your lesson too. Only a fool bangs his head on the desk twice.
It's ok. Why don't you just go ask for your money back and move on? Stick Ali 13's on your rig like the rest of us and go diving.
