Ccr Diver From Ohio Died In Ginnie Springs Today...

[LBattle]

Rarely - if ever - do posts on internet blogs and forums about scuba accidents contain the same quality of objective information. It's unfortunate that a similar mechanism doesn't exist. The IUCRR's reports were pretty decent - and the last one they did was in 2008...

The IUCRR did two reports last year and one in 2013. They are on the website.

Are you a member of the NSS? If so, you can access their annual publication "American Caving Accidents" online. They include cave diving accidents and go back 40 years or so. Most write ups are just a couple paragraphs, but some are quite good. Some will be familiar and some you will never have heard of. The quality of the write up depends on the person submitting it of course.

 

[bl6394]

The IUCRR did two reports last year and one in 2013. They are on the website.

Are you a member of the NSS? If so, you can access their annual publication "American Caving Accidents" online. They include cave diving accidents and go back 40 years or so. Most write ups are just a couple paragraphs, but some are quite good. Some will be familiar and some you will never have heard of. The quality of the write up depends on the person submitting it of course.

I am a member. I had glanced at the public site for incident reports up to 2008. But I will definetly log in and look at the online publication. Thanks!

 

[boulderjohn]

@boulderjohn, John, are you implying something is off in the statements from this incident or are you just talking about accident investigations in general?

I have no information on this incident. I am just saying that there have been times in my past investigations that i was sure the person I was interviewing was being intentionally less than honest.

 

[boulderjohn]

Just as an example of what I was talking about with the lying part, a few years ago there was an incident in Cozumel in which 3 divers went very deep, far beyond recreational limits. Eventually one of them died of DCS, and the other will never walk again. The original story was that they were caught in a powerful down current and taken as far as 400 feet deep. The third diver came on ScubaBoard and explained that terrible ordeal. Eventually it all came out that the whole story was a complete lie--the 3 had planned a single tank bounce dive to 300 feet, and probably because of a narcosis problem,2 had continued to 400 feet. The incentives to spin an entirely different story that put no blame upon themselves should be obvious.

 

[rjack321]

The IUCRR did two reports last year and one in 2013. They are on the website.
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The last report on the IUCRR website is from Wayne's world in 2008. Can you send a link to where these are published?

 

[matt_w]

The last report on the IUCRR website is from Wayne's world in 2008. Can you send a link to where these are published?

Incident List - IUCRR

The site lists 3 since the incident you referred to. From the menu on the left it is Accident Analysis->Incident Reports. The link above should take you right there after you agree to the terms.

 

[rjack321]

Thanks, why is this old outdated version still live? IUCRR - Accident Analysis

 

[Jack Hammer]

I suspect that as a volunteer based entity... ☺

 

[rjack321]

Yeah possibly, unfortunately, when you google IUCRR you get the older un-updated page as the top hit.

Looks like the last 3 incidents were all submitted by Rose at Ginnie. Good on her for trying to document something about the Ginnie events.

 

[KenGordon]

There are also the BSAC incident reports to read. These are paragraphs on each of the two or three hundred uk incidents each year in the UK. The analysis is at the overall level rather than trying to draw wide conclusions from a single incident. This has been being written for many years and is a useful resource for seeming how people get things wrong.

There are seldom cave incidents in there, but plenty involving boats.

The usual conclusion is that if people followed their training, respected their training limits and kept their kit in good shape then there would have been no problem.

A second conclusion, becoming more common, is that older divers are at greater risk than younger ones.

The failure modes of a rebreather are well known, all trainee rebreather divers are taught how to deal with them all. Some of those modes lead on to the limits of diving a rebreather.

Of course it is all easier said than done. Until an unexpected event you cannot really tell if you are doing it right or not. Can you be sure you are monitoring your ppo2 properly even when there is something happening to take away your attention?