Jardines Aggressor - Cuba Liveaboard

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Aggressor Fleet seems to be preparing a new boat to cruise the Jardines dela Reyna. Travel to Cuba to dive this area will be done through a travel program hosted by Oceans for Youth Foundation. Interesting tid-bit is that among the Board of Directors are Wayne H. and Wayne B. I am sure this program was set up to accommodate US scuba divers/snorkelers to Cuba. Canadians or citizens of other nations do not need special permission to enter Cuba on vacation.


The boat will be the Aggressor Fleet's old Ocean Diver, the boat that previously made the run from Mexico to Cuba. One of the nicest boats in the fleet, IMHO, she is set up for ocean routes instead of partially protected waters. She is in the boatyard at Owl Creek in Fort Myers getting a refit. The last time she worked was during Hurricane Rita in Venice, LA, so she will have to be gone completely through and given a facelift.

She was bought by a South American company from Aggressor Fleet and franchised back, so there won't be any issues with American ownership. She is running the way she is because she will not be authorized to sail from a US port, of course, none of the rest of us are either. She is running as an educational charter to circumvent US visiting laws.

From the above posts, it looks to me like the liveaboard will be part of the Aggressor Fleet. If Wayne and Wayne are truly on the board of the "Oceans for Youth Foundation", it's hard to imagine they are doing that without some financial benefit. It's not as if they are going to be promoting a liveaboard that is outside their fleet.

And this boat isn't even really in the Aggressor fleet, but somebody labeled it that to associate it with a known brand?

Is there more to this that I'm not seeing?

Is this boat in any way affiliated with Aggressor Fleet, or does it have their permission to use the Aggressor name?

Richard.
 
Mikeycanuck, I was being a bit cheeky, not so sure about the tongue. What I was really getting at, is if we look too clotat the governments of many of the places we dive, and then determine how we feel about that, dive destinations could get quite limiting.
 
Right now only one company has a permit to dive within Jardines de la Reina, which is Avalon, because it is a protected marine area. Apparently applying for a Cuban permit gets tied up in a huge bureaucracy for a long time. Getting the US permit is one thing, getting the Cuban permit is another. At least they've given themselves over a year...
 
Chilly, I get where you are coming from. But I draw the line at Communism, my dad had to flee Hungary after fighting it out in Budapest with small arms against of the might of the USSR.

I have to say that there isn't many places left in hone world with such regimes. China, NK, Vietnam, Zimbabwe are not on my list. You could argue West Papua belongs to PNG and the current situation is an occupation by Indonesia.

I'll get of my soapbox now and wish everyone concerned happy travels.



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It is my understanding there are still restrictions for US citizens traveling to Cuba regardless of how they get there. It matters little if the ship is registered in Panama or US or some other registry. The issue is with the travellers citizenship. As far as the US is concerned, ships and airlines can travel to Cuba and some US airlines already do so. It is the traveller and citizenship that are at issue. If you are a US citizen you must comply with the current travel restrictions (that are changing). If willing to risk the wrath of the US government, US citizens have been able to travel to Cuba via Canada, Mexico, or Caribbean departure points. As an agent I don't encourage this but know folks who have travelled to Cuba this route. It is my understanding that a US citizen cannot just get on a plane or liveaboard and go to Cuba just to dive. There are rules that include cultural and educational requirements. Again, I am not 100% versed in the relaxed US regulations but they still exist. For me, the embargo of Cuba exists from the bygone Cold War days of JFK and Nikita Khrushchev pounding his shoe on the table at the UN. While you may or may not agree with Fidel Castro, as with most embargoes, it is usually the average joe suffering, not government leaders. I do remember the disaster in the Dominican Republic and Cuban doctors and nurses were on the ground before those from the US, but that strays from the clear waters of diving and into the murky waters of politics.

As mikeycanuk suggests, US citizens going to Cuba in the past have done so using education, marine research, cultural conferences as a disguise to circumvent the rules. The Ocean Doctor program is no different and I suppose the Oceans for Youth is similar.
 
Not at all. Do you really imagine it's about education and not diving? I don't have issue with it, I think we should all be able to go, but let's not call a mule a horse.

Cuba has been a destination for Canadians for decades. One Toronto shop I know is there every month with a group completing OW certifications. The price is right, and the diving where they are is "decent" from what I've heard.

I know people that have dived Gardens of the Queen, and it's pretty spectacular from what I hear. There are currently a half-dozen or so small liveaboards operating there and being booked by a Cuban agency. I spoke to the operator at a trade show this fall in Toronto. What was curious is that the boats are somewhat ramshackle... nothing like an Aggressor boat... but the prices were higher than the Aggressor prices. (They might have been converted to CDN $$ which was currently about .75 USD. I considered booking a trip before you 'Mericans invade the place, but haven't committed yet.

Cuba Diving. Best Scuba Diving in Cuba and the Caribbean
 
Yes, we tend to ruin every place we go, With our clothed backs and our cardigans and our transistor radios, complaining about the tea or they don't make it properly, do they? And stopping at endless Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel and calamaris and two veg. And sitting in our cotton sunfrocks, squirting Timothy White Suncream all over our puffy, raw, swollen, purulent flesh, 'cos they overdid it on the first day. Being herded into countless Hotel Miramars and Bellevues, Bontinentals with their international luxury modern roomettes and swimming pools full of draft Red Barrel and fat German businessmen pretending to be acrobats and forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into the queues. And if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss your bowl of Campbell's Cream of Mushroom Soup, the first item in the menu of International Cuisine.

Every Thursday night there's a bloody cabaret in the bar featuring some tiny emaciated dego with nine-inch hips and some fat bloated tart with her hair Bryll-creamed down and big arse presenting flamenco for foreigners. And an adenoidal typist from Birmingham with flabby legs and diarrhea trying to pick up hairy, bandy legged, whop degos called Manuel. And once a week there's an excursion to local ruins, where you can buy Cherry Aid and melted ice cream and bleedin' Watney's Red Barrel.


And one night they take you to a typical restaurant with local atmosphere and color and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing "I love the Costa Brava!" "I love the Costa Brava!" And you get cornered by some drunken green grocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and last Tuesday's 'Daily Express' and he's on and on and on about how it is running the country and how many languages Margaret Powell can speak and she throws up all over the cuba libres. And spending four days on the tarmac at Luton Airport on a five-day package tour with nothing to eat but dry British Airways sandwiches. And you can't even get a glass of Watney's Red Barrel because you're still in England with the bloody bar closes every time you're thirsty. And the kids are crying and vomiting and breaking the plastic ashtrays. They keep telling you won't be another hour, but you know damn well your plane is still in Iceland, because it had to turn back, trying to take a party of Swedes to Yugoslavia. Of course it loads you up there at 3 a.m. in the morning. And then you sit on the tarmac for four hours because of unforeseen difficulties, i.e. the permanent strike of airtraffic control over Paris. When you finally get to Malaga airport, everybody's queueing for the bloody toilet, and queueing for the bloody half-customs officers, and queueing for the bloody bus that isn't there, waiting to take you to the hotel that hasn't yet been built. When you finally get to the half-built Algerian ruin called the Hotel Limassol, while paying half the holiday money to a license Spaniard in a taxi, there's no water in the pool, there's no water in the bath, there's no water in the tap, there's only a bleeding lizard in the bidet, and half the rooms are doublebooked, and you can't sleep anyway, 'cause the permanent are in the jungles in the hotel next door. Meanwhile, the Spanish National Tourist Board promises that the raging cholera epidemic is merely a mild outbreak of the Spanish Conleigh, rather like the previous outbreak in 1616, even the bloody rats are dying from it!
 
Yes, we tend to ruin every place we go, With our clothed backs and our cardigans and our transistor radios, complaining about the tea or they don't make it properly, do they? And stopping at endless Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel and calamaris and two veg. And sitting in our cotton sunfrocks, squirting Timothy White Suncream all over our puffy, raw, swollen, purulent flesh, 'cos they overdid it on the first day. Being herded into countless Hotel Miramars and Bellevues, Bontinentals with their international luxury modern roomettes and swimming pools full of draft Red Barrel and fat German businessmen pretending to be acrobats and forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into the queues. And if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss your bowl of Campbell's Cream of Mushroom Soup, the first item in the menu of International Cuisine.

Every Thursday night there's a bloody cabaret in the bar featuring some tiny emaciated dego with nine-inch hips and some fat bloated tart with her hair Bryll-creamed down and big arse presenting flamenco for foreigners. And an adenoidal typist from Birmingham with flabby legs and diarrhea trying to pick up hairy, bandy legged, whop degos called Manuel. And once a week there's an excursion to local ruins, where you can buy Cherry Aid and melted ice cream and bleedin' Watney's Red Barrel.


And one night they take you to a typical restaurant with local atmosphere and color and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing "I love the Costa Brava!" "I love the Costa Brava!" And you get cornered by some drunken green grocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and last Tuesday's 'Daily Express' and he's on and on and on about how it is running the country and how many languages Margaret Powell can speak and she throws up all over the cuba libres. And spending four days on the tarmac at Luton Airport on a five-day package tour with nothing to eat but dry British Airways sandwiches. And you can't even get a glass of Watney's Red Barrel because you're still in England with the bloody bar closes every time you're thirsty. And the kids are crying and vomiting and breaking the plastic ashtrays. They keep telling you won't be another hour, but you know damn well your plane is still in Iceland, because it had to turn back, trying to take a party of Swedes to Yugoslavia. Of course it loads you up there at 3 a.m. in the morning. And then you sit on the tarmac for four hours because of unforeseen difficulties, i.e. the permanent strike of airtraffic control over Paris. When you finally get to Malaga airport, everybody's queueing for the bloody toilet, and queueing for the bloody half-customs officers, and queueing for the bloody bus that isn't there, waiting to take you to the hotel that hasn't yet been built. When you finally get to the half-built Algerian ruin called the Hotel Limassol, while paying half the holiday money to a license Spaniard in a taxi, there's no water in the pool, there's no water in the bath, there's no water in the tap, there's only a bleeding lizard in the bidet, and half the rooms are doublebooked, and you can't sleep anyway, 'cause the permanent are in the jungles in the hotel next door. Meanwhile, the Spanish National Tourist Board promises that the raging cholera epidemic is merely a mild outbreak of the Spanish Conleigh, rather like the previous outbreak in 1616, even the bloody rats are dying from it!

Hey, you really ARE a Monty Python fan!
 
Stoo, would that be Aquasub? They have what they consider a 2nd office down there and Norbert is taking a Nitrox stick on the next trip.

The Gardens isn't easy to get to. It's a long midnight bus ride to get there then a decent boat ride. For the time ( a little more) and effort and similar cost we can get to Indo for instance.
I did a quick cost comparison and we can for a little more $ spend 2 weeks in Ambon compared to Cuba (resort only not the LOB's) Ok I use points to fly but that's a no brainer in my world. And I don't have to fly the discount sun airlines with all THAT entails...lol

The permanently moored Avalon boats are former accommodations for oil drillers I believe.

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