Any PADI instructors here who are also DIR compliant?

[chrpai]

Recently in our area we had a police officer arrested for driving with a blood alcohol content more than 3 times the legal limit. By your logic, I could post her mug shot to prove that police academies teach police officers to drive drunk.

And we had a DA in charge of the state's public integrity unit ( the one that went after Tom Delay ) get arrested for DUI. She spent the night sobering up, spitting on the cops saying "don't you know who I am??" .... she got the world's speediest plea deal, spent a few weeks in the lockup and went right back into office. Oh, and now she's getting a 15K raise...

There's a law that allows a suit to remove her but the judge threw it out.... go figure... Gotta love Travis County.

 

[boulderjohn]

John,
It is hard to believe that everyone here does not see the obvious--that the supposed "Standards" of PADI are almost meaningless....and that it is ONLY the individual PADI Instructor or shop with great instructors can be Great. The Agency name will need a set of "Standards" for the world to expect from PADI, if you or any other PADI instructors want the name to imply quality.

As the video below demonstrates, a PADI Instructor, following Standards, can be a menace to students and to the environment in general... If "Standards" really were "Standards" , this would not be possible.

Start 42 seconds in to video, play in HD...

Dan, because you are a PADI divemaster, the PADI standards for professional conduct require you to report this kind of violation to PADI so they may deal with it appropriately. Have you done so?

 

[chrpai]

Dan, because you are a PADI divemaster, the PADI standards for professional conduct require you to report this kind of violation to PADI so they may deal with it appropriately. Have you done so?

And that right there is why I don't go pro. You're giving him the choice of being a rat or being in dereliction of duty. Nice.

That video made my cringe and laugh. They were all such god aweful divers that I couldn't even pick one out and say that's the instructor right there.

 

[danvolker]

And that right there is why I don't go pro. You're giving him the choice of being a rat or being in dereliction of duty. Nice.

That video made my cringe and laugh. They were all such god aweful divers that I couldn't even pick one out and say that's the instructor right there.

And yet, no standards are actually being violated, right? I mean all this in this early class, is open to individual interpretation, and it the right of the instructor to handle the way he understands the guidelines????

 

[supergaijin]

Unless I believe that the Diver is safe to dive with a member of my family, they don't get a card. Unless an Instructor is competent to teach a member of my family to dive, they don't get a card. That's the difference between the PADI and NAUI philosophies. I'm good with that.

Actually, that is the difference between you and... a few thousand 'average' instructors who teach under the various agencies- PADI being the largest.

I think your argument is not NAUI vs PADI, but you vs PADI. Good luck with that.

 

[DCBC]

Actually, that is the difference between you and... a few thousand 'average' instructors who teach under the various agencies- PADI being the largest.

I think your argument is not NAUI vs PADI, but you vs PADI. Good luck with that.

You're entitled to believe what you choose. Perhaps if you actually did look into it, you would find that each certification Agency has its own philosophy. As a PADI Instructor recently posted the NAUI Credo, I suppose I can use some excerpts to highlight some of the differences in philosophy:

Quote
- "An individual should not be qualified as a NAUI Instructor unless those empowered to qualify the person would allow that person to teach their loved ones to dive."

- "The leadership power in NAUI should be limited to and controlled by the democratic process."

-"NAUI Instructors are qualified professional educators who are granted academic freedom to teach diving in any reasonable manner as long as NAUI standards and policies are met. NAUI does not have a rigid approach to teaching diving."

- "NAUI Instructors may exceed NAUI standards in ways that do not jeopardize student safety."

- "Those who wish to learn to dive must have good water skills, attain the ability to swim and demonstrate basic water survival skills."

- "Divers should not be totally dependent on their equipment for safety."

- "Anyone certified as a diver should be able to perform the basics of a rescue of a Buddy diver."

- "It is more important to teach a few students well that to certify many marginally trained divers.We further believe that educational quality must never be sacrificed for economic reasons."

It goes on, but you should be able to quickly see the differences. I'm not saying that NAUI is the best choice for everyone; that's a decision that we each have to make. You can paint, or you can paint-by-numbers. Each may result in a nice painting. It's an individual choice how you want to go about it...

 

[DevonDiver]

No, Dan, PADI instructors are supposed to be environmentally aware and responsible during OW dives--that is supposed to be taught during the IDC and required in the IE. This instructor is not following the standards for professional conduct during the dives.

John, what Standards specifically do you think are being broken?

Proper...formal, PADI standards... not 'guidance', 'recommendations' etc....written 'in bold' in the manual.. and not open to interpretation?

My first thought was the AAS stowage... PADI makes it clear that they are to be stowed in the 'triangle' between hips and mouth. But then... whilst that is taught, and in the manual, it isn't a Standard. So.. no more authoritative direction than, for instance, guidance to do skills "on the knees" in the Guide to Teaching or the endless procession of divers shown kneeling in manuals, which is also an 'example' of how to do it.

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I couldn't even pick one out and say that's the instructor right there.

I think that's one of the most eye-opening issues. It's easy to lambast 'dereliction' or 'lack of professionalism' by instructors - but it's most alarming that a diver could get anywhere near possession of an instructor rating with such low quality of core diving skills.

Saturating the market with the highest number of scuba instructors is a sound business model if you want to maximize revenue and dominate market share. However, doing so relies upon a very low entry bar, coupled with minimal restrictions to entry. The more the merrier... and diving skill is optional.

(point of note... are we sure the featured video is a PADI class?)

 

[danvolker]

No, Dan, PADI instructors are supposed to be environmentally aware and responsible during OW dives--that is supposed to be taught during the IDC and required in the IE. This instructor is not following the standards for professional conduct during the dives.

John, any given weekend, you could visit and find 4 to 6 instructors very close to as environmentally irresponsible as this video....and yet...it appears that this IS valid professional conduct, since it is observed by so many--and nothing is ever done.

 

[boulderjohn]

John, any given weekend, you could visit and find 4 to 6 instructors very close to as environmentally irresponsible as this video....and yet...it appears that this IS valid professional conduct, since it is observed by so many--and nothing is ever done.

And nothing will be done until someone (like you) reports it.

 

[Peter Guy]

I've been gone for a few days and find this still going.

Keep at it guys -- Thanx for the memories.

BCDC -- you asked why I hadn't responded to some posts -- the simple answer is that it wasn't worth my time or effort to respond. You seem to believe that Quebec law is THE law of the world. Hint, it isn't.