Does anyone dive with tables anymore?

[Randy43068]

You make a lot of assumptions.
Expensive is relative, isn't it? The drysuit was bought used, and you're right a new one is quite expensive.
More to the point. High cost does not equal safety margin. That $1.5K you spent on a dive computer (times 2) is expensive relative to the perceived safety factor. And that my friend, is not relative to the cost of any of my equipment. You gain zero safety margin paying that much for a dive computer. You gained nothing by spending that much

So, anyone diving a computer more expensive than yours is unreasonable? Is that you in your avatar? If so, it looks to me like you're sporting a nice looking DUI drysuit. Don't get me wrong...I dive one too...but, boy are they expensive.

 

[Brendon]

As a dive guide, apparently you lead a lot of trust me dives.

Yep... .Isnt that what you instructor said to you? If one is being paid for service then one would be required to do more then the average dive buddy.. Then again you would know that if you lived in the sea.

That's just plum Krazy. It's against all standards to share computers and you are in effect sharing your computer with your customers. As a dive guide, you ought to know better and your customers are just plain fools

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Dont mistake the standards of the agencies as something absolute. Know better...Sure. Plain fools, no. Is Tiger woods a fool for hiring a boat captain to drive his boat? Or a fool for paying for someone to carry his clubs? I guess if you dont run in those circles or have that kind of money you wil never know. You put your life in the hands of a stranger everytime you get in a taxi and go for a trust me ride...

 

[BoltSnap]

You make a lot of assumptions.
Expensive is relative, isn't it? The drysuit was bought used, and you're right a new one is quite expensive.

Expensive doesn't mean overpriced. DUI suits are expensive but they are not overpriced for what you are getting.

That $1.5K you spent on a dive computer (times 2) is expensive relative to the perceived safety factor. And that my friend, is not relative to the cost of any of my equipment. You gain zero safety margin paying that much for a dive computer. You gained nothing by spending that much

How do you know? Aren't you a bit judgmental here? Do you consider that this is a personal choice that one is paying extra for features beyond safety? Maybe some features of the more expensive computer would add to his safety based on HIS circumstance (bigger display, easier to use/read, etc.)?

 

[lowviz]

Missed stop procedure? Four depth stops? Not sure what you are talking about here. Is this recreational diving or tech diving?

This will be my last post here as I've said about all that I care to on the subject and I also notice that the OP hasn't been participating much.

I'll sign off this thread with a couple of thoughts:

If a new OW diver is cautioned to keep out of deco, this implies that they can go into deco.

So what would you do if you find yourself with an accidental deco obligation and your computer dies, or more likely you ran right up to your NDL on EAN36 and you just realized you are diving air?

-Unlikely enough event that you don't even think about it?

 

[Brendon]

This will be my last post here as I've said about all that I care to on the subject and I also notice that the OP hasn't been participating much.

I'll sign off this thread with a couple of thoughts:

If a new OW diver is cautioned to keep out of deco, this implies that they can go into deco.

So what would you do if you find yourself with an accidental deco obligation and your computer dies, or more likely you ran right up to your NDL on EAN36 and you just realized you are diving air?

-Unlikely enough event that you don't even think about it?

Well that is any easy question... Even with out a depth gauge I can guestimate my depth or find the 15-20' stop by looking to the surface day or night (with a light). use the pressure in your ears to maintain neautral bouyancy then burn your tank down till your HP hose becomes slightly limp, then surface.

 

[BoltSnap]

This will be my last post here as I've said about all that I care to on the subject and I also notice that the OP hasn't been participating much.

I'll sign off this thread with a couple of thoughts:

If a new OW diver is cautioned to keep out of deco, this implies that they can go into deco.

So what would you do if you find yourself with an accidental deco obligation and your computer dies, or more likely you ran right up to your NDL on EAN36 and you just realized you are diving air?

-Unlikely enough event that you don't even think about it?

This is a very easy questions to answer, I'd just switch to my back up computer

 

[Jaydubya]

Yep... .Isnt that what you instructor said to you? If one is being paid for service then one would be required to do more then the average dive buddy.. Then again you would know that if you lived in the sea.

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Dont mistake the standards of the agencies as something absolute. Know better...Sure. Plain fools, no. Is Tiger woods a fool for hiring a boat captain to drive his boat? Or a fool for paying for someone to carry his clubs? I guess if you dont run in those circles or have that kind of money you wil never know. You put your life in the hands of a stranger everytime you get in a taxi and go for a trust me ride...

If Tiger's caddy handed him a 5 iron for a 140 yard shot from the fairway what we he do? Trust the caddy? Hell no. He would insist on the right club.

Similarly, when a cabbie started driving 80+ miles per hour on the way to Wellesly to see my girlfriend I told the SOB to slow down or let me the f- out.

I have no problems paying for service but that doesn't absolve me of responsibility for my own safety.

If people dive to the DM's computer they are taking unnecessary risk. Are the surface intervals the same? are the profiles the same? What if a customer should be diving with a higher conservatism setting? If a customer gets bent the DM may have exposed himself to some legal risk by violating standards.

 

[Krazytomdiver]

As a dive guide,it's clearly obvious most you posters do not work in the international dive industry where on one day of diving a gude can have 10 to 40 customers in the water per dive,six different languges,standard & metric,ages 12 to 75 years old,from 5 to 5000 dives,some no computers,some with rental computers,some with computers & have not a clue,some on air,some on Nitrox,disablities,phobas,medical conditions,poor equipment,and just plain uneducated. I share my dive experience not my dive computer(s) with my customers. They are instructed to follow my dive profile,safety rules,and monitor they gas levels. You are right it is "plum Krazy" but that's the real world of mass commercial recreational dive business. People on vacation spending maxinum money to 'go diving' REQUIRE EVERYTHING done for them and that's exactly what you do.
I've signed a lot of dive log books but very seldom do I see the profile history recorded or dive tables referenced. Computers are the future,I do my banking,photos,music,dive history,record keeping,Facebook,Myspace,email,and darn near everything else on one. IMPO diving is no exception.

"living life without a hard bottom"
KT

 

[Jaydubya]

Exactly why I abhor the follow the leader type diving that is so common in vacation destinations.

As a libertarian, I have no problem with you providing your service "as a dive guide" the way you do. I still think your customers are fools. As a libertarian, I think people have a right to be fools. Carry on.

 

[Thalassamania]

The problem is that when you arrive at the destination, regardless of your politics, you are treated to some dry behind the ear kid who is (justifiably) cynical as hell and is trying his or her damnedest to deprive you of the diving experience that with your thousands of dives you deserve and crave.

Me? When I rarely find myself in the area where there are dive resorts, I tend to shore dive, or rent a boat and go my own way.