Is this guy smoking something or is he on to something?

[openmindOW]

are you expecting a dir diver to suggest that?

My friend, have you heard the phrase?

Let's assume that your answer is yes, that you've heard the phrase. So, when you use the phrase bungeed wings of death, some people might see that as obnoxious.

and that's the point. We as divers should be leery of referring to other divers's gear as death traps.

Also, think about how that might sound to a new recreational diver. (Divers have access to the internet.)

It's all about tone.

 

[openmindOW]

If "Bungeed Wing of Death" leads a diver to believe that they will die if they dive abungeed wing then they are too stupid to exist and cannot possibly possess sufficient mental capacity to dive safely.

Steve, I see your point.

the point is that the phrase has been used. It sets a bad tone.

BTW, I gave up my bungeed wings and I'm glad that I did so, but I don't refer to bungeed wings as wings of death.

I believe that the diving community should be a big tent. there should be room for different styles of diving, different levels of diving, and different kinds of divers.

I'm sensitive to what new recreational divers hear and read. They can be very sensitive to what they're hearing. That's one reason I try to be gentle to new divers who post about bad experiences in the Accidents Forum.

It's about tone.

 

[ScubaSteve]

A quick search shows that the term "Bungeed Wing of Death" has not been used since September 2010. My god we are out of control. We are creating a super breed of babies. That phrase is a NON ISSUE that we are trying very hard to turn into an issue.

And the term Poodle Jacket......a quick scan tells me that often times people use it (as I said I do) when referring to themselves.

 

[openmindOW]

A quick search shows that the term "Bungeed Wing of Death" has not been used since September 2010.

It has been used. And we're not the only Forum out there.

It's all about tone.

 

[ScubaSteve]

It has been used. And we're not the only Forum out there.

It's all about tone.

How about we apply the "Tone Steve Tone" to something other than attacking DIR divers? And remember, I am not a DIR diver. Thisngs were used decades ago....centuries ago.....are you going to argue them too? All you are doing is perpetuating the cycle to suit your agenda. By you bringing the term up repeatedly, it means that 6 months from now the person that searches it out will say ...."My god it was used only 6 months ago. We are out of control".

Tone nothing. This has nothing to do with DIR divers and everything to do with the person.

 

[openmindOW]

How about we apply the "Tone Steve Tone" to something other than attacking DIR divers? And remember, I am not a DIR diver. Thisngs were used decades ago....centuries ago.....are you going to argue them too? All you are doing is perpetuating the cycle to suit your agenda. By you bringing the term up repeatedly, it means that 6 months from now the person that searches it out will say ...."My god it was used only 6 months ago. We are out of control".

Tone nothing. This has nothing to do with DIR divers and everything to do with the person.

Steve, I think tone matters. Just my opinon.
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[ScubaSteve]

Tone does matter. I do agree with you. However, the outsider looking in (I have DIR and non-DIR dive buddies and friends as well) says that DIR is being attacked. Did the issue exist once? Definitely. Does it exist today? Definitely. Does the entire DIR community deserve to be attacked over it? Definitely not. Is the problem this epic world wide pandemic that you and others are making it out to to be? Definitely not.

I would say that you guys are setting the negative tone here. Not the DIR divers.

 

[openmindOW]

. . . DIR is being attacked.

DIR should absolutely not be attacked. DIR will survive.

Does the entire DIR community deserve to be attacked over it?

Of course not.

We're in agreement. I'm happy about that.

let's go diving sometime.

 

[HenrikBP]

Some people like (to try) to convince others to do as they themselves do. If they fail to convince those others, and those other people choose a "different path", that is then taken as a personal affront.

This goes for anything in this life, and is the cause of much of the strife in the world.

Henrik

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

What your missing, Bob, is that the remarks don't only have to be heard on SB. The remarks could be heard in cave country and on internet forums.

Bob, have you ever heard the phrase "Bungeed wings of death"?

Does that phrase suggest to you that bungeed wings are safe?

Sure I've heard the phrase. But, frankly, I've heard it from more non-DIR people than DIR people. So why does that phrase suggest to you that it's coming from the DIR crowd?

A while back there was a thread asking who were the most helpful people on ScubaBoard. One poster's name came up more often than anybody else's. That poster also happens to be perhaps the most vocal proponent of DIR on ScubaBoard. She even jokingly refers to herself as "the Borg Queen". Thing is, most of the folks who considered her helpful are not DIR ... most, in fact, are pretty new recreational divers who haven't even considered becoming DIR. So I ask ... why is it that the occasional comment that "might" be from a DIR trained diver always gets held up as an example of DIR behavior, while someone with more than 22,000 posts on this board ... someone who has never insulted anyone, or spoken a demeaning word about someone else's diving ... someone who has been almost universally accepted as one of the most useful contributors in ScubaBoard history ... isn't acknowledged as a DIR diver? Why isn't she held up as what DIR represents ... because, frankly, nobody on ScubaBoard represents DIR more completely than she does..

People see what they want to see ... and those who have an axe to grind with DIR like to ignore the positives, and only focus on the negatives. They don't even have to demonstrate that the person behaving badly is, in fact, DIR ... they only have to claim it is so ... and they do, with some regularity.

And that's how stereotypes get perpetuated ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)