Bahamas: Missing Female Diver

[deepstops]

There's no evidence or indication of any such thing in this case, however as far as your braggadocio concerning your ability to commit suicide in the face of even the most effective leadership personnel on the planet ... I suspect that you are wrong, perhaps we could give it a try?

You try first and I'll be the rescuer. Fair enough?

 

[mikemath]

That would have been a great time to dich the victim's weights, wave goodbye and follow the ascent to the surface.

Terry

If the DM knew, as we know now, that the diver would have died as a result, I'm sure they would have done something like that. However, were I in the DM's shoes, actively causing a buoyant ascent from 140 feet (or even 80 feet) has an extremely high level of risk itself. This thread could just as easily be about why "the idiot DiveMaster didn't allow a diver to dive their own plan, and caused their death by DCS because of their action".

Would any reasonable person assume that someone would willingly (as evidenced by continuing to dump air) descend further than 140 feet when released at that depth? Even if I had a physical altercation with a diver, I would expect them to build some horizontal distance, maybe flip me off, and head to a safer level, giving me an earful after the dive. Gesticulating angrily as they willingly descend to their deaths is not a reaction I would anticipate, and I can only imagine the horror the DM felt knowing that was a likely outcome after aborting their attempt to ascend with the diver.

 

[Thalassamania]

You try first and I'll be the rescuer. Fair enough?

No - it's your claim - not mine.

But I'll tell you what - just to bend over backwards, I'll put the weakest instructor that I've ever trained on the task ... if that'll help you make your case.

 

[Cave Diver]

You try first and I'll be the rescuer. Fair enough?

No - it's your claim - not mine.

But I'll tell you what - just to bend over backwards, I'll put the weakest instructor that I've ever trained on the task ... if that'll help you make your case.

As interesting as I think this would be to watch, this thread is probably not the place for this particular discussion.

 

[deepstops]

No - it's your claim - not mine.

But I'll tell you what - just to bend over backwards, I'll put the weakest instructor that I've ever trained on the task ... if that'll help you make your case.

perhaps we could give it a try?

You said "we", you're a funny guy

 

[deepstops]

As interesting as I think this would be to watch, this thread is probably not the place for this particular discussion.

Agreed. But I stand by my statement that if someone wanted to do this, they could.

 

[DocIndyDiver]

Widget makes a good point. Narced and competent enough to use a dump valve? I can't get new divers to use one correctly when they're sober (non-narced).

 

[Web Monkey]

Would any reasonable person assume that someone would willingly (as evidenced by continuing to dump air) descend further than 140 feet when released at that depth?

You bet. They've already exhibited very poor judgement to get that far and are unlikely to get any smarter as narcosis increases.

If I found a new or inexperienced diver @140', especially a diver that had hired me as a "buddy", I would assume a mental defect of some sort and act accordingly to do my best to prevent injury or death.

In any case, with a DM having a single person as a buddy, this entire incident should never have happened. The real failure here is once again "buddy skills" and "buddy separation". The diver should never have been allowed to drop any significant distance below the planned depth, which would have made all of this a non-issue.

Terry

 

[mikerault]

Whenever I have hired a DM for my wife (she is only Scuba Diver level, not OW so it is required) they hold her hand or keep a hold of her tank valve during the ENTIRE dive.

Mike

 

[stevejaz]

...or, narced and pressing the dump valve mistaking it for the inflation valve? Panicking, not thinking rationally, and somebody is accosting you?

....Or, just being stubborn and wanting to go deeper despite the young wipper snapper trying to thort your efforts? Who's to say for sure?