Bodies Recovered in School Sink aka Wayne's World, Hudson, FL

[bpd375]

What were the errors? You imply that you know something that happened? (Besides diving beyond their certs).

For obvious reasons, namely that some on here think I'm a liar, I'm not going to answer this, but would refer you to this post: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/3974440-post97.html It's exactly the information I received last night on this event.

 

[deepstops]

Master Instructor and OWSI. Isolation valve turned off on one diver other wrapped in line. One ran out of air went to O2 bottle at below 50ft. One and ventured out on his own got lost.

Source - recovery diver.

The specifics are nice but it doesn't change the fact they should NOT have been in that cave. Period.

 

[NudeDiver]

People keep saying that you should not exceed your training. OK, GOT IT!!! Move on.

People keep saying that they should not have been in the cave at all. OK, GOT IT!!! Move on!!

Repeating this stuff over and over again isn't really helpful.

Even IF they didn't have the proper certs, and even if they had no permission to be in the cave - even if you accept those as fact - it doesn't tell us what specifically happened. So, so what? Everyone posting here already knows you should dive within your limits and should not trespass, so how about moving on to someone information that is actually new and might be useful to someone?

 

[ucfdiver]

It is my understanding that one of the divers did not have ANY cave training. (2nd hand source, so I may be incorrect.) If, however, that is the case then ALL aspects of cave training could have prevented this.

Perhaps, however I'd still like to know the cause. What's confusing me here, is that with Joe's activity on the forums, I can't imagine any possible way that he didn't know the 5 basic rules of cave diving. He also had taken cavern, which means at the least, he had read the NACD handbook (or should have). Therefore either he misunderstood them (lack of training, causing him not to implement them correctly), had overlooked one (once again, training would have fixed this), or ignored one. While he didn't hold the card, I struggle to believe that he didn't know better.

 

[Daedalus]

People keep saying that you should not exceed your training. OK, GOT IT!!! Move on.

People keep saying that they should not have been in the cave at all. OK, GOT IT!!! Move on!!

Repeating this stuff over and over again isn't really helpful.

Even IF they didn't have the proper certs, and even if they had no permission to be in the cave - even if you accept those as fact - it doesn't tell us what specifically happened. So, so what? Everyone posting here already knows you should dive within your limits and should not trespass, so how about moving on to someone information that is actually new and might be useful to someone?

What specifically happened likely would have been prevented had they taken the proper classes and gotten the proper experience before attempting this dive. If you start telling people how to cave dive on the internet they will be deluded into thinking they have it all figured out and do not need training or experience. Then they start diving in places they are unqualified to dive.

 

[NudeDiver]

What specifically happened likely would have been prevented had they taken the proper classes and gotten the proper experience before attempting this dive.

All diving depths would have been prevented if the divers had decided to go play poker, rather than go diving. Unfortunately, this fact doesn't do much to enlighten us as to what actually happened on the dives on which they died.

 

[contender]

Perhaps, however I'd still like to know the cause. What's confusing me here, is that with Joe's activity on the forums, I can't imagine any possible way that he didn't know the 5 basic rules of cave diving. He also had taken cavern, which means at the least, he had read the NACD handbook (or should have). Therefore either he misunderstood them (lack of training, causing him not to implement them correctly), had overlooked one (once again, training would have fixed this), or ignored one. While he didn't hold the card, I struggle to believe that he didn't know better.

James,
It's one thing to know or be familiar with the rules of cave diving, anyone can look those up. It's a completely different ballgame when it comes to using them without proper training. Knowing the rules is not enough, you need to practice them under the watchful eye of a Cave Instructor(Note: class) to employ them properly. This is the thing that Joe apparently lacked in, and ultimately cost him his life. I hate it as bad as anyone that this happend, especially since two young girls are without a father. Sometimes it has to come down to the fact that people make horrible decisions and sometimes it cost them their lives.

 

[netmage]

I struggle to believe that he didn't know better.

...... yet here we are....

I too was surprised as to the level, or lack thereof of his training.

It further reinforces the argument about 'learning to di(v)e on the internet....'

-Tim

 

[PerroneFord]

Two questions if you know.

1. Was the goldline intact? Maybe be difficult to determine if there was an entanglement and a subsequent break.

2. Was a primary deployed from OW and was it intact.

Getting lost off the line is one of the biggest hazards in this game. Doing it in an unfamiliar cave, with low vis, and copious silt can be too much for many to handle. The answers to the questions I asked here might offer some clues into whether the divers simply ignored safety protocols, or ran into a legitimate problem that might befall any of us, like a broken main line on a low-vis exit.

Thanks.

Master Instructor and OWSI. Isolation valve turned off on one diver, other wrapped in line doing line sweeps. One ran out of air went to deco bottle it ran out then to O2 bottle below 50ft. One ventured out on his own got lost. Both used doubles.

Source - recovery diver.

 

[LiquidAstronaut]

No back up reels were present. No word on gold line.