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RJSIMP, you seem to be against anybody travelling to Bonaire because of crime and that we are in fact promoting it by not hurting the government. Is this correct? I have an honest question which I do not know the answer to (I also know that it is an impossible question to answer because of how things are handled on the island). How many crimes occur every year on Bonaire? What is the average population on any given day (tourists included) on the island? How many crimes are reported in the United States annually? What is the population of the USA? As a percentage of population, which is worse? I ask this because I do not know the true answer but I wonder if it would end up any worse than where we live. You can replace USA with any country and ask the same.

I hate that there is crime on the island. I am all for the governement/police changing how things are handled. However do you really think that pulling all tourist dollars out is going to fix the problem? It will just sink the island and it will in fact get worse. Crime would in fact shoot through the roof as the island economy tanks. Bonaire would become a place where it is just not safe to travel too. The crimes would be more serious and less "crimes of inconvenience".

I want Bonaire to change however I will continue to travel there and hope to come up with a way to help them change their ways to improve the quality of life for all on the island (locals and tourists).
 
RJSIMP, you seem to be against anybody travelling to Bonaire because of crime and that we are in fact promoting it by not hurting the government. Is this correct? I have an honest question which I do not know the answer to (I also know that it is an impossible question to answer because of how things are handled on the island). How many crimes occur every year on Bonaire? What is the average population on any given day (tourists included) on the island? How many crimes are reported in the United States annually? What is the population of the USA? As a percentage of population, which is worse? I ask this because I do not know the true answer but I wonder if it would end up any worse than where we live. You can replace USA with any country and ask the same.

First of all, I guess we need to understand the definition of a crime in Bonaire and the US or many other countries for that matter is different. In Bonaire, it is not a crime to break into a car/hotel and it is not a crime to take things that are not yours. Reason it is not a crime in Bonaire (even though there may be laws on the books) is because it is not prosecuted or enforced. In the US, those people would be prosecuted, locked up, and there would be a penalty for such actions. In other parts of the world, you would get a much worse penalty than in the US.

What I am talking about here is, would I have a resonable expectation in the US or other countries I visit that the law enforcement officials are looking out for my personal well being and personal property? You would have to answer YES! However, in Bonaire, you cannot answer the same because the local law enforcement does not look out for your personal property or personal well being for that matter.

Also, on a per-capita basis I wuld wager the robbery rate of Dallas, Texas against Bonaire any day. Dallas is not known for its low crime rate, and south Dallas is even worse. For comparison, Bonaire's total population is around 14,000 and with the touists (maybe 1200 weekly avg based on yearly visitors) we are talking at any given time 15,200 people. That is less the the population of many small towns in the US and well below the population of the Caymans which is 65,000 (not including tourists).

Since we don't have true crime figures from Bonaire since they don't really count many of the things we do as crimes, we can't know for sure. However, I would figure that at least all the shore divers have had their car gone through and if divers account for about 40% of the tourists, we can figure about 480 car breakins a week. That represents more than 3% of the whole population is exposed to crime every week in Bonaire. On an annual basis, we are looking at over 160% of the population and tourists are exposed to some crime in Bonaire.

I highly doubt that would go unchecked ANYWHERE in the US and in many other parts of this world. It is definitely higher than I am willing to accept.

I hate that there is crime on the island. I am all for the governement/police changing how things are handled. However do you really think that pulling all tourist dollars out is going to fix the problem? It will just sink the island and it will in fact get worse. Crime would in fact shoot through the roof as the island economy tanks. Bonaire would become a place where it is just not safe to travel too. The crimes would be more serious and less "crimes of inconvenience".

This island's primary income is from tourists. I have found reports by the Bonaire officials that track exactly how many tourists come to the island and project revenue from that. Would a few people not going make a difference? Maybe not, but from 2005 to 2006 there was a significant drop in tourists and that caught their attention. If there was a dramatic drop off in tourism, I guarantee the government would want to know why and when the reason was determined (the crime rate) they would do something about it to make it safer and have higher standards. However, if there are only suttle changes, they can write those off to changing of the times, ecconomy, etc.. They will not do anything to change.

If the touists drop down significantly and the crime rates go up, do you think that would slow the tourists' exodus or speed it up? Of course it would speed it up and again, they would have to step in.

I want Bonaire to change however I will continue to travel there and hope to come up with a way to help them change their ways to improve the quality of life for all on the island (locals and tourists).

They will not change as long as they have no incentives to change. As long as you and others like you continue to go there in masses, change will be the last thing that happens except that there is a slow decrease in tourism there and eventually your prediction of higher crime may occur.

My goal is to get people to realize that by spending dollars there and going there, you are only enabling them to continue down the path they are on. The ONLY thing they listen to is the tourists dollars which makes us as a group very powerful to get change to occur, but not unless we act as a group.

The dive industry needs to step up and stop diving there for a period of time, explain to the businesses in Bonaire why they aren't coming there, and let things change. Then, hopefully, a better Bonaire would emerge for all of us to enjoy.
 
I know I asked but my question, I suppose, was more rhetorical to get people thinking about how prevelant crime really is in relation to where they live. You paint a pretty nasty picture and your numbers are based on your perception of the island. My perception is different because I have never had a problem (nor do I know of anybody personally that has had a problem - nor do I see that many posts from people that have had problems). Is 3% a valid number? Nobody knows but I do have my opinion on it's accuracy. My point is that your logic of stopping all travel there will just make things worse overall and the dive industry will have lost a one of a kind gem. It would be better if the residents were to take a stand. They are the ones that would be hurt if tourism stopped altogether. However if we did in fact stop it, then they would be fighting for survival and not for change in government. BIG difference.

You say that the dive industry needs to step up and stop diving there.....well I would gladly do that however until the dive industry replaces Bonaire with something with the same quality and ease of diving and the same ease and cost of travel (to/from), I will keep my dollars going to Boanire. I would gladly go somewhere that cost me no more and was just as great for MY diving. But, I have yet to find it (or even hear of it). Keeping my belongings out of my truck and keeping the truck windows open and doors unlocked is a small price to pay. It is an inconvenience...YES. You should not have to do that but for most people, the benefit far outweighs the inconvenience. Like I said, if there was another like option, I would go for it. I look for the best value for a dive vacation....and IMHO Bonaire is great diving value for the money.

So, rather than telling everybody it is there fault that Bonaire is the way it is, why not post possibilities for a Bonaire replacement (different thread of course). I think you would get more people to change their plans if you gave them the replacement (just my thought). I look up almost every place I read about and seriously consider options if the value seems reasonable. Unfortunately, many places are not reasonable in my cheap opinion. I want the best diving for the least amount of dollars (tell me this does not limit me :D). FWIW, I will not be giving Bonaire any money next year because I will be going to Thialnd instead......or that is the plan right now.

I am officially off my :soapbox: now.
 
And that is why it is the way it is.. No change in our expectations and demands on the island = no change on the island..

Will be interesting to see what is like there in a few years as tourists drop off even more there..

Have fun in Thialand! Post some pictures please if you take them! :wink:
 
That was in Aruba, not Bonaire..
Ah, that too. Tragedies like that are probly more common in many US cities than in the ABCs or other Caribbean islands. I did confuse the islands there.
The only drive thru fill station that I know of on Bonaire is at Buddy Dive, which we've used numerous times. It is basically a self serve station, so no, there was not anyone there checking out what we had in our vehicle. I really find it rather amusing that you've never stepped foot on Bonaire, but you have all these grand ideas of what it is like. We've never had any problems on any of our previous trips. BTW, I don't leave expensive things in my vehicles at home, so why would I do it while on vacation?
Ah, ok - as you rightly note, I've not been there yet so confused that as well. And I'm sure I will make it there, so these discussions help me prepare.

Actually, I do leave articles in my pickup here. I try to hide them a little as crime happens everywhere, but break-ins are uncommon here so far. Sometimes I forget to close my garage door overnight or while away and feel dumb about that, but not threatened, always leaving my windows open at night summers but then this is Mayberry USA, not a reasonable comparison.

But thanks for the correction.
Guess everyone will have to choose for themselves.
Uh, sure. Hehe did you have a lot more typed out and change your mind? I do that sometimes; maybe I should more often. Like I said, these discussions help me prepare, such being one of the main reasons for this forums board.

Thanks to all, both sides. :thumb:
 
Uh, sure. Hehe did you have a lot more typed out and change your mind? I do that sometimes; maybe I should more often. Like I said, these discussions help me prepare, such being one of the main reasons for this forums board.

Actually, in this case I didn't really have more to say. Threads like this make me compare in my mind the "rules" of traveling to different places. For instance, Bonaire is: "don't leave anything of value in your truck and leave the windows open." Hawaii is: "don't leave anything of value in your car, roll the windows up all the way, lock it tight." Jamaica is: "don't leave anything of value in the car, park it in a very public place, roll the windows up all the way, lock it tight, and hope it's there and intact when you return." Israel is: don't leave anything of value in the car, don't park it in a popular/populated place, roll the windows up all the way, lock it tight, and hope it doesn't get blown up."

For ME, understanding the quirks in "rules of travel" to different places makes my vacations easier and less stressful. I feel that as long as there are people who have lousy life circumstances there will be crime. So far the only place I've gone on vacation where I feel comfortable leaving my door unlocked and stuff unsecured is on a liveaboard dive boat.

Bottom line IMO is that everyone simply has to choose for themselves.
 
Actually, in this case I didn't really have more to say. Threads like this make me compare in my mind the "rules" of traveling to different places. For instance, Bonaire is: "don't leave anything[-] of value [/-]in your truck and leave the windows open." Hawaii is: "don't leave anything of value in your car, roll the windows up all the way, lock it tight." Jamaica is: "don't leave anything of value in the car, park it in a very public place, roll the windows up all the way, lock it tight, and hope it's there and intact when you return." Israel is: don't leave anything of value in the car, don't park it in a popular/populated place, roll the windows up all the way, lock it tight, and hope it doesn't get blown up."

For ME, understanding the quirks in "rules of travel" to different places makes my vacations easier and less stressful. I feel that as long as there are people who have lousy life circumstances there will be crime. So far the only place I've gone on vacation where I feel comfortable leaving my door unlocked and stuff unsecured is on a liveaboard dive boat.

Bottom line IMO is that everyone simply has to choose for themselves.

Just a correction.. I have heard of instances that even sun screen lotion was taken when left in the car. :rofl3:
 
Not to hijack this thread, but when was it ever reported that they found Natalie Holloway's body? To my knowledge and in searching the internet she is still a missing person...

They didn't. They were referring to a Dutch woman who was killed on Bonaire relatively recently. Natalie Holloway was in Aruba and was never found.
 
Since we don't have true crime figures from Bonaire since they don't really count many of the things we do as crimes, we can't know for sure. However, I would figure that at least all the shore divers have had their car gone through and if divers account for about 40% of the tourists, we can figure about 480 car breakins a week. That represents more than 3% of the whole population is exposed to crime every week in Bonaire. On an annual basis, we are looking at over 160% of the population and tourists are exposed to some crime in Bonaire.

rj....

I have to ask why you ASSUME that ALL dive tourists are broken into? and where did you get the average of 40% of our tourist are divers?

As for accuracy in "crime" statistics on Bonaire I can give you one resort's stats (mine)2007, and believe it or the person(s) responsible were found and procecuted in every instance where it was reported. (Note we did ask our guests for one year to provide us with info even if something as small as a water bottle taken, but did not report it to the police.)

We had over 2200 room nights filled in 2007. Average # of persons in room - 2. Percentage of divers 82%. (3,608 divers) Number of persons who had their window broken and something stolen, or something stolen with the windows down, even just a t-shirt (we actually track these). EIGHT (this is based on 2 divers per room).

This comes out to a ratio of theft to divers of way less then one percent!!!!!

I'm sorry but your idea of 480 car breakins is totally ridiculous.

If you feel the need to post how "dangerous" Bonaire is, it is your OPINION ONLY and if you wish to support your opinion you should REALLY do the correct research, and I would have been glad to aid you in this quest as I LIVE HERE. AND NOT POST WHAT YOU THINK THE FIGURES ARE.

I appreciate your opinion (which I personally think is wrong, but you are entitled), but when it comes to facts and figures, please only post ones that you can provide as accurate, not to ASSUME....

Liz
 
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