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[peterbj7]

I don't see how it's being "disingenuous" . You're splitting hairs here. You basically replaced the word stupid with idiot.

Idiot (as defined by the dictionary you quoted)-
Stupid-
Neither of these describe George Irvine, and my original post is still valid.

I wasn't aware that I had used either of these words. You introduced both of them.

And as to "Deepstops" comment on my command of the English language, I think the evidence suggests otherwise.

Anyway, I'm tired of bandying semantics. I found GI's behaviour unacceptable and I know others share my view, which does not predispose us to listen in any detail to his views. My view only. You and others may disagree - fine. But you won't persuade me.

 

[ucfdiver]

I wasn't aware that I had used either of these words. You introduced both of them.

And as to "Deepstops" comment on my command of the English language, I think the evidence suggests otherwise.

Anyway, I'm tired of bandying semantics. I found GI's behaviour unacceptable and I know others share my view, which does not predispose us to listen in any detail to his views. My view only. You and others may disagree - fine. But you won't persuade me.

I completely agree with you that his behavior is over the top. I think he has some very valuable points, and I truly feel that by reading his articles/postings, various elements of my diving have improved after thinking about his message. His delivery could be much improved.....although I wonder if DIR would be what it is today had he not offended as many people as he did. Reminds me of eminem in the music world, offensive language and explicit content.....and he gains free publicity because of the people who complain about it.

BTW- My previous posts meant no disrespect towards you, if message boards had everyone in 100% agreement, they'd be called a wiki and not a forum, I hope I didn't come across as otherwise.

 

[peterbj7]

My previous posts meant no disrespect towards you ..... I hope I didn't come across as otherwise.

Not at all - I welcome free debate, and if it sometimes gets a bit heated well that's the way of debate. So long as it doesn't degenerate into personal remarks with no other merit (which your's didn't).

I do however feel Brian's contribution was unjustified by anything that appeared in the thread, and didn't contribute to it. I have been accused of many things, but I don't recall ever before being accused of not being in control of my use of English. Not at any rate by anyone who was him/herself so in command. I do though sometimes have a problem distinguishing between bad English and standard American.

Although I see merit in some of their views as applied in certain circumstances, I don't personally adhere to the precepts of DIR/GUE. Nor I am sure do the vast majority of divers (some of whom may be regarded as almost competent!). So to an extent for me it isn't just GI's method of delivery that turns me off, but the message itself. But I don't condemn people who disagree with me - if they mainly team dive in difficult circumstances then I can see how DIR/GUE becomes relevant and attractive.

 

[vladimir]

(which your's didn't).

I do though sometimes have a problem distinguishing between bad English and standard American.

To help you distinguish, inserting an apostrophe into "yours," for example, would be bad English and not standard in America as well.

 

[deepstops]

I do however feel Brian's contribution was unjustified by anything that appeared in the thread, and didn't contribute to it.

My post contributed just as much as your post and Dale's post taking pot-shots at George did. All I did was point out that he hasn't "retired" from diving. That was all I posted. And then, in came the hate mongers.

I guess I'm just a bit more open minded. I think people like GI, Ed Betts, Tom Mount, Dick Rutowski, Bret Gilliam, Mitch Skaggs, etc. all have something "on the table" we can learn from. In some cases, it means avoiding something and in others it means doing something a certain way. Or that a particular principle applies for one thing but not another.

 

[Meng_Tze]

Let's keep it civil guys. Analysing one's grasp of the English language is somewhat irrelevant to the topic at hand.

 

[peterbj7]

To help you distinguish, inserting an apostrophe into "yours," for example, would be bad English and not standard in America as well.

Thank you for highlighting a typo, which I find very common here as the salt air corrodes the key contacts on most keyboards. Makes smooth typing impossible.

 

[peterbj7]

All I did was point out that he hasn't "retired" from diving. That was all I posted

Not remotely what I read - maybe you're thinking of another post?

As to "taking pot shots" at George Irvine, I don't think I've been doing that. I said what my view of him was, and why. If you are his friend and don't like it, get him to amend his behaviour. Until then, if he were to turn up at my dive centre I would be most unlikely to permit him onto a boat.

 

[deepstops]

George is no longer leading dives in the WKPP but he's far from "retired" from diving.

This post Peter. http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/3740977-post26.html
What was unclear here??

 

[peterbj7]

I was referring to the post that you made shortly before I responded, this one:-

But the Brit is certainly showing his lack of command of the English language (sorry Peter, you had it coming).

I didn't read back any further than that so didn't know you'd made any other posts. Sorry!