Tonka97's Five Scenarios for John Chatterton

[Divedoggie]

2 questions and 5 assertions. The thread is titled 5 questions. Quoting assertions is no different than name calling. Why not just list your 5 questions?

 

[Buoyant1]

No, not really.

Question #2 for Chatterton.

Were you surprised when you entered the E-room (the climax of Shadow Divers, AND Hitler's lost sub), only to see a flashing strobe in the room, left by Will McBeth, following the plan of John Yurga?

Why was that left out? It would have be good for comic relief in the story.

I have consistently recommended that divers would be well advised to obtain and read
both Shadow Divers by Kurson, Chatterton, and Kohler and Shadow Divers Exposed, by Gary Gentile, Gary Gentile Productions - Shadow Divers Exposed

I will end my challenge to readers and John Chatterton with the follow assertions by Gentile, well documented in his book:

1. Bill Nagel discovered the wreck of the U-869
2. Mark McKellar furnished the identity
3. Barbara Lander conducted the bulk of the research
4. Harold Moyers ascertained how the U-869 was sunk
5. Chatterton and Kohler took the credit, then made a career out of reputations that were based upon a foundation that was either faked, filched, or fictitious.

I'll answer number 1...Nagel got the "numbers" from a fisherman friend, I don't think that was ever in doubt?!?!?!

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

This doesn't look like a challenge at all ... it looks like a character assassination, perpetrated on a known personality by someone who chooses to hide behind the anonymity of an assumed Internet name. It's about as thinly disguised as one of those political ads that starts out "Ask Senator Foggybottom why he voted in favor of" ... followed by something that was taken so totally out of context as to have no bearing on reality.

"How would you respond to the assertion that you and Richie took credit and fame for the essential work, discovery, and achievements of several unnamed researchers and divers?"

How would you respond to the assertion that tonka97 is the illegitimate child of Gary Gentile, seeking acceptance by a father that abandoned him through a self-imposed vendetta against one of poppa's perceived enemies?

I will end my challenge to readers and John Chatterton ...

One can only hope ...

What you're doing isn't discussion ... and even if it had merit, the way you're going about it is pretty pathetic.

I'd say it's a poorer reflection on Mr. Gentile than it is on Mr. Chatterton ... and probably isn't deserved by either of them.

This is not ... at all ... what ScubaBoard should be used for ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[mheaster]

Just found this (searching for something else) and thought it might be interesting to some that are following this thread:

NOVA | Transcripts | Hitler's Lost Sub | PBS

Complete Transcript of the PBS/NOVA special "Hitler's Lost Sub"

 

[lmorin]

With respect to item 2 on the list (who furnished the identity of the submarine):
The following is a quote from the ggentile.com Newsletter dated August, 2004.

Despite this preponderance of evidence, Chatterton, Yurga, and Kohler continued their explorations of the U-boat’s interior, determined to recover something that would provide positive identification - the nail in the iron coffin, so to speak. The pay off came on August 31, 1997.

Chatterton, Yurga, Kohler, and Pat Rooney entered the pressure hull. Chatterton proceeded to the electric motor room, where he found a wooden spare-parts box to which was fastened a plastic tag. He handed the heavy box to Kohler, who then passed it along to Rooney. Rooney carried the box outside and sent it to the surface on a liftbag.

Marked on the plastic tag was “U 869.”

This quote comes in the context of various pieces of information from several sources pointing to the increasingly high likelihood that the submarine was U-869. This quote, presumably written by Gentile himself, admits that there was nothing providing positive identification until August 31, 1997, when Chatterton found the plastic ID tag. Other folks may have reached the conclusion, by inference, that the sub was U-869, but Chatterton provided the first direct evidence.

As to some of Gentile's personal thoughts about what he calls the "ersatz Shadow Divers," read what he has to say in the June, 2006, newsletter

 

[adurso]

No, not really.
{snip}
1. Bill Nagel discovered the wreck of the U-869
2. Mark McKellar furnished the identity
3. Barbara Lander conducted the bulk of the research
4. Harold Moyers ascertained how the U-869 was sunk
5. Chatterton and Kohler took the credit, then made a career out of reputations that were based upon a foundation that was either faked, filched, or fictitious.

This taking credit blah blah is sheer envy. Everything flows from that.

I have met JC and again he is one of the least likely people to take credit from anyone else; based on my experiences with him he would be more likely to give credit to someone else before taking it for his own.

He wanted to teach history and ended up in TV, sort of by accident. If he had cold bloodedly planned to "steal" credit and end up in the TV industry the steps he would have had to follow are so complex and serendipitous he should have planned on just conquering the world, it would have been less complex.

 

[tonka97]

I'll answer number 1...Nagel got the "numbers" from a fisherman friend, I don't think that was ever in doubt?!?!?!

Buoyant1,

That is true. Bogan gave Nagle the location of an unidentified wreck.

Paraphrased from Gentile:

In September 1991 Bill Nagle, owner and skipper of the Seeker, had the loran coordinates to the wreck. Nagle organized the trip, and with 12 divers went on the discovery expedition.

Chatterton was his sole crew member.

The divers on board were Kevin Brennan, Kip Cochran, Steve Feldman, Lloyd Garrick, John Hildeman, Steve Lombardo, Mark McMahon, Ron Ostrowski, Doug Roberts, Dick Shoe, Paul Skibinski, and John Yurga.

Common sense tells me that credit for the discovery of U-869 should be given to Bill Nagle, or to the ENTIRE group of divers and skipper.

It appears that since Bill Nagle's death, that Chatterton has sought to credit himself for the discovery.

Comment by Chatterton?

Thank you.

 

[JeffG]

Buoyant1,

That is true. Bogan gave Nagle the location of an unidentified wreck.

Paraphrased from Gentile:

In September 1991 Bill Nagle, owner and skipper of the Seeker, had the loran coordinates to the wreck. Nagle organized the trip, and with 12 divers went on the discovery expedition.

Chatterton was his sole crew member.

The divers on board were Kevin Brennan, Kip Cochran, Steve Feldman, Lloyd Garrick, John Hildeman, Steve Lombardo, Mark McMahon, Ron Ostrowski, Doug Roberts, Dick Shoe, Paul Skibinski, and John Yurga.

Common sense tells me that credit for the discovery of U-869 should be given to Bill Nagle, or to the ENTIRE group of divers and skipper.

It appears that since Bill Nagle's death, that Chatterton has sought to credit himself for the discovery.

Comment by Chatterton?

Thank you.

You should really try to eat some meat.

 

[ReefHound]

Hey Tonk, show me evidence where Chatterton has ever claimed credit for *discovering* the wreck. He is credited with *identifying* the wreck. The book Shadow Divers mentions that Nagle obtained the coordinates then he and JC put together a trip to go out and see what it was.

If you personally know John Chatterton, Ritchie Kohler, John Yurga, Gary Gentile, or anyone else directly involved with this U-869 project or if you had any personal involvement in this U-869 project, you owe it to the community to identify yourself. If you're just another diver with no ties, that's fine.

 

[PacketSniffer]

It appears that since Bill Nagle's death, that Chatterton has sought to credit himself for the discovery.

Comment by Chatterton?

Thank you.

Tonka,

You should really get out and dive more often.