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porsche060:
Got my C-card in the mail today. Only issue is I used the NAUI books and was told it would be a NAUI card. In the mail was a YSCUBA card.

Assuming you did request a NAUI certification, your instructor owes you the NAUI card. OTOH, Y standards are actually higher than NAUI's in most areas. A few years ago, YMCA started requiring instructors to use a specific text (NAUI has no such requirement), Dennis Graver's SCUBA Diving. The reason for this requirement is other texts (not counting the NOAA Diving Manual) don't measure up to Graver's book. Sounds like a standards violation to me.

diver_paula:
Will the YMCA cert. be accepted as a prerequisite if you want to take advanced NAUI course?

Yes, but since he has a Y Instructor available, the YMCA Silver Advanced is a much better course than NAUI's AOW.

Jim Kerr:
So what skills did you learn in the Naui course that you wouldn't have learnd with a Padi course?

NAUI standards require more rescue skills.
 
So what skills did you learn in the Naui course that you wouldn't have learnd with a Padi course?

Off the top of my head: Rescue of an unconscious diver from the bottom and some physiology/physics/rescue topics in the classroom

How do you know this?
I teach NAUI and occasionally take PADI trained divers for check-outs. Rescue, Physics and Physiology are the areas I need to teach prior to them being able to pass the NAUI exam and check-out dives. It doesn't make them bad, it's just stuff PADI covers in a different course.

Porche:
Call your instructor and find out what happened. It shouldn't be a big deal to replace the YMCA card with the NAUI card if your heart is set on that one.
Ber :lilbunny:
 
A C-Card is recognized by dive-ops as a C-Card. YMCA is highly respected.

You can get air and go diving.
Now its up to you to gain experience by actually diving and continuing your education.

The big agencies will give you similar sets of standards, and the individual instructor will either teach to the lowest common denominator or add his/her insight and experience to make an outstanding class.

If you want the most thorough education based on tough standards, then pursue DIR, GUE, TDI or courses from Thalassamania, LA County, etc., and then go out and dive to gain experience and expertise.

:blinking:Some people on this board would argue that the Instructor is a slave to the inadequate standards of the agency, but the following is an example of how Instructors can use or surpass the base standards.

My best friend is a NAUI Instructor, and many good buddies are SSI Instructors. I am a PADI Instructor. We dive together and compare notes all of the time. Everything is really similar.

The biggest difference is that my best friend doesn't like to spend too much time in the pool, so he tends to get through the class as quickly as possible and have the students accomplish the set forth NAUI minimum standards. He is an excellent communicator, a great diver, and a great teacher, but he is a busy man, and wants the most bang for the buck. He is satisfied and his students appear to be happy.

I teach a semester long Scuba Diving course at a major University, and my classes tend to be very thorough in the the classroom and pool. The students must pass the course for college credit as well as a C-Card. Its a minimum of 28 hours.

Our Open Water site is too deep for students to go to the botom, so all skills are done while hovering. Our students never even see the bottom, so there is no kneeling, no roto-tilling, only new divers becoming proficient at neutral bouyancy while they are demonstrating their skills.

In both confined water and open water, we spend additional time working on trim,
buoyancy games, various finning techniques, streamlining, dive planning, gear and equipment, question and answer sessions, etc.

So, while meeting all PADI standards, I exceed them throughout the course. I'm satisfied and the students appear to be happy.

Not PADI vs NAUI, just the way I like to teach, vs the way my friend likes to teach.

:lotsalove:In the end, all of the education in the world is useless if the newly certified diver doesn't go out and dive. Practise and repetition, and varied conditions and situations, are the only way to use the new skills and not lose the new skills.
:coffee:
 
:blinking:Some people on this board would argue that the Instructor is a slave to the inadequate standards of the agency

I've never seen anyone argue that point.
 
Also internationally how much is a ymca card known about?

I've dived with it all over the world and have never had a problem. If you like, you can send a photo copy of your Y card to the YMCA SCUBA program along with a small fee and be issued a CMAS card as well.
 
I've dived with it all over the world and have never had a problem. If you like, you can send a photo copy of your Y card to the YMCA SCUBA program along with a small fee and be issued a CMAS card as well.





In 1980 YMCA SCUBA became a federation of the World Underwater Federation (C.M.A.S.), thus allowing our instructors and divers the distinct designation of this international certification. Due to our high standards, YMCA SCUBA remains the only SCUBA certification organization in the United States to offer the C.M.A.S. international certification card.
C.M.A.S. (Confederation Mondiale Des Activities Subaquatiques) is the only world diving organization. This organization is composed of some 14,000 diving clubs, 82 national federations and 4.5 million divers.
C.M.A.S. international certifications cards are issued by equivalence in 82 countries and at all levels, for both divers and instructors. The certification notes the following benefits:
* Global acceptance and international recognition
* Allowance to dive in countries where authorization is needed
* Ability to rent equipment and refill cylinders abroad
* Ease in joining international diving groups
In order to receive your C.M.A.S. international certification card or instructor certification, please submit the following:
1. Your name and current address
2. A copy of your present YMCA SCUBA certification card (front and back)
3. $25 payable to YMCA of the USA or by credit card authorization


Send to:

YMCA SCUBA

For Current Information, or to contact YMCA SCUBA
YMCA of the USA
SCUBA Program
101 N. Wacker Drive
Chicago, IL 60606
(800) 872-9622
(312) 279-4492 fax​
 
Assuming you did request a NAUI certification, your instructor owes you the NAUI card. OTOH, Y standards are actually higher than NAUI's in most areas. A few years ago, YMCA started requiring instructors to use a specific text (NAUI has no such requirement), Dennis Graver's SCUBA Diving. The reason for this requirement is other texts (not counting the NOAA Diving Manual) don't measure up to Graver's book. Sounds like a standards violation to me.




Dennis Graver book is a GREAT book!! And Tom Leairds Diving Fundanmetals for Leadership is a GREAT book for divemasters and instructors.
 

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