Would this modified DIR-esque hose routing make sense?

[dlwalke]

Hi,

I'm not DIR. In fact, I'm not sure I'm anything yet (just certified in June) but am obsessing over how to best route the hoses on my new regulator (and backup regulator and console) that will arrive by mail come Tuesday. At least for starters, I'm going to go with the traditional open water rec setup with the backup regulator in "the golden triangle" (it is golden isn't it) on a long hose. I aspire to be sleek and non-dangly, however, and am attracted for that reason if nothing else to the DIR routing. So my question is whether it would make any sense, or be a bad idea for reasons that I am not presently aware, to put my primary on a necklace (as per DIR's placement of backup regulator), and my backup still clipped to chest but looped similar to DIR's routing of primary). If this doesn't make sense, are there any other options to snaking that big hose (on the backup) such that it stays a little closer to body - or am I just a newbie talking nonsense.

Dave

 

[ckharlan66]

You shouldn't need a necklace for the primary because it will be in your mouth. The necklace is to hold your backup in place until needed. If you are going to stow your backup on a clip there is no further need for the necklace.

If you are looking for a way to stow your primary when not in use I would recommend adding a bolt snap to it with an O-ring or zip tie and then you can clip it off when not in use.

also if you use a hose as long as the DIR setup for the primary on your backup then I don't see how you could route the hose not to be flappin in the wind. If you want to use the long hose I highly recommend using the DIR setup.

I hope this answers your question but if not let us know and I am sure someone will be better able to explain it.

Good luck

Chad

 

[Uncle Pug]

dlwalke once bubbled...
or am I just a newbie talking nonsense.

Straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel is what comes to mind.

What you probably cannot see from looking at pictures is how closely the long hose lays to the diver's body not only protecting it from snagging but also producing minimal drag. The ease with which the long hose is deployed to an OOA is also something that is not readily understood from looking at pictures.

First hand experience in a DIR demo would clear a lot of the confusion up. Taking a DIRf would do even more for you.

If I understand what you are suggesting then it seems that you want to rig with a long hose and necklace but dive the necklace as your primary.... doesn't make sense:

The OOA is going to go for the reg you are breathing which will be on too short of a hose to be useable... whilst you then need to fumble for and retrieve your long hosed backup and get it into your mouth.

Why not just do it right and be breathing the long hose which you would effortlessly donate and effortlessly put the bungeed backup into your own mouth. Even if you do this in slow motion it isn't going to take very long at all.... and you don't die immeadiately as soon as the regulator is taken out of your mouth... come on think about it... you can last a few seconds

 

[ckharlan66]

I agree with Pug, but if you don't want to route your hoses this way I would stick to a traditional setup.

Chad

 

[dlwalke]

>>Straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel is what comes to mind.<<

I don't get it but that sounds pretty funny.

Anyhow, thanks for the input. I see now, as I vaguely suspected, that what I was asking about didn't really make much sense on several counts.

The problem about having someone trying to snatch the regulator out of my mouth I wouldn't have thought would be a problem as the backup would still be the neon day glo lime yellow one on my torso and unless I explicitly told someone that the backup was the one in my mouth, I'd have hoped they'd go for the other one.

I do have some interest in taking a DIR class BTW (just learned DIR acronym last week and now you're throwing DIRf at me), but that would not be until mid to late next year. I'll stick with the standard routing for now and see how my opinions of DIR evolve. For now, 'm mostly just thinking about how to set up my new equipment so as not to have too much stuff hanging off - hanging too far off - of me.

Thanks again

 

[jonnythan]

dlwalke once bubbled...
Hi,

I'm not DIR. In fact, I'm not sure I'm anything yet (just certified in June) but am obsessing over how to best route the hoses on my new regulator (and backup regulator and console) that will arrive by mail come Tuesday. At least for starters, I'm going to go with the traditional open water rec setup with the backup regulator in "the golden triangle" (it is golden isn't it) on a long hose. I aspire to be sleek and non-dangly, however, and am attracted for that reason if nothing else to the DIR routing. So my question is whether it would make any sense, or be a bad idea for reasons that I am not presently aware, to put my primary on a necklace (as per DIR's placement of backup regulator), and my backup still clipped to chest but looped similar to DIR's routing of primary). If this doesn't make sense, are there any other options to snaking that big hose (on the backup) such that it stays a little closer to body - or am I just a newbie talking nonsense.

Dave

I'm curious.. what's the problem with the DIR style that you're trying to solve?

 

[dlwalke]

>>I'm curious.. what's the problem with the DIR style that you're trying to solve?<<

Not trying to solve any problems with DIR style. Just trying to learn what, if any, options I have for routing my hoses and such. I've received no training in DIR and am not sure if I want to go that route in any case (I'm too new to have an informed opinion on this). In any event, the regulator that I just purchased and am still waiting to arrive will have one of those day glo covers indicating backup and as such, I suspect, it would be confusing at best to use it in a pure DIR-type configuration (i.e., would the yellow "backup" still be the one I'm not breathing out of thats hanging on my necklace even though the one for the OOA person would be the dark one in my mouth?). With that in mind, I'm still interested in setting up my new gear so as to have a minimum of stuff hanging off of me and too far away from me.

Dave

 

[Tavi]

dlwalke once bubbled...
In any event, the regulator that I just purchased and am still waiting to arrive will have one of those day glo covers indicating backup and as such, I suspect, it would be confusing at best to use it in a pure DIR-type configuration (i.e., would the yellow "backup" still be the one I'm not breathing out of thats hanging on my necklace even though the one for the OOA person would be the dark one in my mouth?).

Dave

I just put my Backup (was my octo) on a 22" hose. I switched the yellow faceplate with the black one on my primary. Now the reg in my mouth has the yellow faceplate, and the one bungied around my neck has the black one.

 

[dlwalke]

>>I just put my Backup (was my octo) on a 22" hose. I switched the yellow faceplate with the black one on my primary<<

Excellent. I thought that this might be possible but wasn't sure. As my backup is a Scubpro R380 and my primary is a Scubapro S550, I'm suspect that this would be an option for me also (looks like the faceplates are the same size and shape).

Dave

 

[The Chairman]

is that now you have to bungee the extra long octo hose in a series of tight loops. Not good for the hose and it may make it difficult to deploy the entire length of the hose. Whether or not you bungee your safe second around your neck or hook it to your BC in the golden triangle is a seperate decision from whether you want to put your primary or secondary on a long hose.

Put your primary on the long hose... Route it under the right arm, over the left shoulder and into your mouth. Put your safe second on the shorter hose and then decide if you want it bungeed (my personal preference) around your neck, making it's retrieval bullet proof, or if you want to put it in the traditional "golden triangle" which is usually black in color. Try both ways and see which one works best for you.