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IF YOU CAN AFFORD A CLASS, BOAT TRIP THEN YOU CAN AFFORD TO TIP OTHERWISE GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. ARMCHAIR WANNABEES WATCH TV TO SEE THE OCEAN GO BACK TO YOUR CHAIR. TIP AND TAKE CARE OF INSTRUCTORS AND DM FOR TEACHING AND GUIDING AND MATING OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE NO ONE LEFT TO TAKE PEOPLE OUT OUR TEACH THEM.

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You must already be rich then, since you obviously took some classes before becoming an instructor or DM. Why are you so worried about tips, since if you weren't rich you would have taken your own advice and done someting else.

Your cheerful attitude probably gets you lots of tips though.
 
Set prices? That would be nice! It is very difficult to do it full time and not be an 18 year olds living with his parents. I do it because I love it, but that's not gonna feed my kids. Like so many other industries, wages are kept very low because there is always someone who is willing to do it for cheaper than you are, or for free! There is nothing wrong with the "weekend-instructor" or the "18 year old living with his parents", we should all have the right to enjoy this wonderfull sport, but it means that I have to find ways to supplement my income, and tips is one of those ways. A tip is never expected, just highly appreciated.
 
Randolphscott:
Hello my Dive Instructor Friends.

I recently had an excellent re-introduction to scuba courtesy of three great people, and am wondering if anyone in training ever offers gratitude w/ a tip?

R

Back to the OP's question, the short answer is yes! The long answer is that not every training situation is the same so there are also plenty of students who should not feel bad that both they and their instructors never considered a tip. Everywhere is different, my experience is from the Florida Keys and Hawaii.

I worked for a shop that trained the BYU Hawaii dive club. The instructors and DM's knew we'd be lucky if we got a Subway sandwich out of that OW class. The next class might be kid(s) staying with family at the Turtle Bay Resort and a quality experience might result in dad's Benjamin Handshake upon graduation.

I now work at a beach resort and most training classes are paid for by people accustomed to giving extra when they recieve extra. Unless the student is a complete buffoon I can both enlighten and entertain them, as well as recommend the other must do's of Maui. Generous gratuity for services rendered is the norm.

With regard to guided diving, both from shore and charter boats, $10 per tank per person is a general minimum guideline. A non-guided cattle boat might only be $5ptpp, and always acknowledege extra help some extra way. Do you know the most common way a dive operator becomes a million-aire, they started with a few million. The high costs of operating many dive businesses results in lower wages than the local cost of living, so most dive professionals must have another income to make ends meet.

An independant instructor/guide is like a bar owner/bartender, tips are rare, even when deserved.

We do it because we love to do it but most would love to get a little more green out of the deal.
 
piikki:
Why can't you people just tell me how much it is before I decide if I buy the service? This is age old question, and I hate to stand there thinking if and how much should I tip not to feel cheated or not to feel like I am cheap because someone else can afford to tip more.

Yeah it's great to reward people who do the job better than others but when I read crap like BlackCoral's above, I just want to stay away from charters in countries where tipping is commonplace... Let the employers observe who does good job and do the rewarding - instead of me. I am sure they get feedback. I want to enjoy my holiday. Geesh, back to my hole..

I understand how you feel. Personally though, I feel I am in a better position than the employer to determine how good a job someone is doing. If the employer coverd the full extent of their wages, our trips would simply cost more and service would suffer. Employers are, by their very nature, a little tight fisted. Nothing against people creating jobs for others, but none of us likes to pay more for something than we have to. A gratuity based environment simply lets ME decide who I want to continue in this business without the employer arbitrarily deciding what my minimum needs are and how little he can pay to get them.

I guess I'm a little cynical, but I think people who work for a flat wage strive for mediocrity. People who work for tips are on their first day at work for a new boss every day and will more likely (not always - there are those who feel they DESERVE a tip just for showing up) bust their ***** for me.

Just 2psi from someone who came up in the service industry.

P.S. The $100 tip from a Rockefeller will make anyone's day, but a five spot or a beer and a sincere handshake is still pretty good.

P.P.S. I'm on a budget too. I always try to project the gratuity cost into any trip I do. Just a thought.:D

P.P.P.S. Just seeing how much I can PP in this forum.:D
 
BlackCoral:
Understand that is why the instructors adnd divemasters make squat. If people tip for service they should you take care of them and make sure they do not do something stupid. It only is a token of appreciation and a job well done. DO YOU TIP THE TENNIS INSTRUCTOR OR GOLF PRO FOR THE LESSON. WHY DO YOU THINK IF PEOPLE DO NOT TIP DO WE REALLY WANT TO TAKE THEM BACK OUT THE NEXT DAY FOR A DIVE. I KNOW I WOULD NOT. PEOPLE EXPECT THE PLAIN OLD SERVICE AND IF YOU TAKE CARE OF THEM THEY SHOULD TIP WELL $5.00 PER TANK IS A MIN PER BOAT TANK AND THAT MAKES THE DM NOTHING ONLY ONE BEER WHILE CLEANING UP WHAT IS THAT. MY STUDENTS ARE TOLD AT LEAST 10 PER TANK THEREFORE 20 FOR A 2 TANK TRIP. IF THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THEN MORE IS EXPECTED. THIS IS NOT A SPORT FOR THE POOR FOLK BUT THE PEOPLE THAT CAN GO OUT AND DIVE AND LEARN NEED TO PAY SINCE WE ARE NO LONGER IN THE 80'S AND THIS IS A BUSINESS. IF YOU CAN AFFORD A CLASS, BOAT TRIP THEN YOU CAN AFFORD TO TIP OTHERWISE GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. ARMCHAIR WANNABEES WATCH TV TO SEE THE OCEAN GO BACK TO YOUR CHAIR. TIP AND TAKE CARE OF INSTRUCTORS AND DM FOR TEACHING AND GUIDING AND MATING OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE NO ONE LEFT TO TAKE PEOPLE OUT OUR TEACH THEM.

GOT IT AND UNDERSTAND IT

I stand in line at McDonalds waiting for someone to place their friggin' order so I can next while they try to figure things out. They got burgers and frys - pick something. it's a meal, not their last meal. If it is, boy did they screw up. If you came to scuba to make a good living - especially as a DM or instructor - boy did you screw up. For most DMs and instructors, scuba is a sideline to share something they love, get a few free dives, and maybe make a few extra bucks. Not to say that a person CAN'T make a good living doing it, be these are the exceptions. I don't know you, and you don't know me, but my advice is to re-evaluate what you are doing. Maybe it's time to take a step back, find a real job to pay the bills, and go back to diving just for you and to share with the next person. I saw your join date, so I assume you're a pseudonym for an old hand. Quit before you hate something this good.

MODS: If this was out of line I apologize. It's late and I've probably had a couple too many vodka tonics.:D
 
Oh yeah, the OP

Tips are appreciated but not necessary. Instructors do get paid (not much but they do). Personally, I encourage anyone who offers me a tip to offer it to my DiveCon. He is what I'll call an unpaid intern and comes down on his own dime just to help out and maybe one day become a low paid instructor.
 
BlackCoral:
GOT IT I sure hope so since I would kindly take u out and drown u if u really did not want to learn what life has dealt people who service the dive industry full time.

Wow. Is this what I can expect from blue water vacations (I have never been to)? Poor people who are so desperate they get enraged if I give $5 instead of $20 (after I have paid for the trip once already)?

I think you should take up waiting tables because that's a job where even the most clueless tourists usually understand that tipping is part of the game, and you do not need to work yourself up to murderous rage over the threat to your livelihood.

I think I better watch my back when I go for a vacation. Never take the same charter twice, I guess... just in case I was not generous enough...
 
My OW Instructor was very nice, he went above and beyond in teaching the class. He taught us more than what was to be covered in the OW course. It was apparent that he enjoyed instructing and cared about the students. At the end of the class my dive buddy and I bought him a dive light and a 50.00 gift certificate for Saltgrass Steak House.

I never have a problem tipping or returning acts of kindness to people who treat me well or who do an exceptional job. I also realize that Instructors have to put up with a lot of stuff , it is not an easy job and the pay is not that great. If the DM or Instructor are real butt heads then they will not get a dime from me; I have ran into a few DM's who thought they were "all that" because of their c-card and talked down to others on the boat; I verbally gave him a tip, therefore I just tipped the boat captain and assistant.

If you can afford to tip and received good service then tip. Never stress out over tipping when in doubt follow what others are doing and ask other divers on the boat. If you get an arrogant DM or Instructor that holds their C-card as a security blanket then don't tip.
 
BlackCoral:
Understand that is why the instructors adnd divemasters make squat. If people tip for service they should you take care of them and make sure they do not do something stupid. It only is a token of appreciation and a job well done. DO YOU TIP THE TENNIS INSTRUCTOR OR GOLF PRO FOR THE LESSON. WHY DO YOU THINK IF PEOPLE DO NOT TIP DO WE REALLY WANT TO TAKE THEM BACK OUT THE NEXT DAY FOR A DIVE. I KNOW I WOULD NOT. PEOPLE EXPECT THE PLAIN OLD SERVICE AND IF YOU TAKE CARE OF THEM THEY SHOULD TIP WELL $5.00 PER TANK IS A MIN PER BOAT TANK AND THAT MAKES THE DM NOTHING ONLY ONE BEER WHILE CLEANING UP WHAT IS THAT. MY STUDENTS ARE TOLD AT LEAST 10 PER TANK THEREFORE 20 FOR A 2 TANK TRIP. IF THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THEN MORE IS EXPECTED. THIS IS NOT A SPORT FOR THE POOR FOLK BUT THE PEOPLE THAT CAN GO OUT AND DIVE AND LEARN NEED TO PAY SINCE WE ARE NO LONGER IN THE 80'S AND THIS IS A BUSINESS. IF YOU CAN AFFORD A CLASS, BOAT TRIP THEN YOU CAN AFFORD TO TIP OTHERWISE GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. ARMCHAIR WANNABEES WATCH TV TO SEE THE OCEAN GO BACK TO YOUR CHAIR. TIP AND TAKE CARE OF INSTRUCTORS AND DM FOR TEACHING AND GUIDING AND MATING OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE NO ONE LEFT TO TAKE PEOPLE OUT OUR TEACH THEM.

GOT IT AND UNDERSTAND IT
Im going to beat the rush and start disliking this guy already.
Tips are great. Ive learned not to expect them as I lead lots of broke college kids and tourists from places that dont tip. When I do get them it's a nice bonus. When diving with another operation I always try to set an example and tip big infront of the other customers. It usualy does not work but I try. $5/tank is a good tip IMHO
 
BlackCoral:
MY STUDENTS ARE TOLD AT LEAST 10 PER TANK THEREFORE 20 FOR A 2 TANK TRIP. IF THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THEN MORE IS EXPECTED. THIS IS NOT A SPORT FOR THE POOR FOLK BUT THE PEOPLE THAT CAN GO OUT AND DIVE AND LEARN NEED TO PAY SINCE WE ARE NO LONGER IN THE 80'S AND THIS IS A BUSINESS. IF YOU CAN AFFORD A CLASS, BOAT TRIP THEN YOU CAN AFFORD TO TIP OTHERWISE GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. ARMCHAIR WANNABEES WATCH TV TO SEE THE OCEAN GO BACK TO YOUR CHAIR. TIP AND TAKE CARE OF INSTRUCTORS AND DM FOR TEACHING AND GUIDING AND MATING OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE NO ONE LEFT TO TAKE PEOPLE OUT OUR TEACH THEM.

GOT IT AND UNDERSTAND IT

With an attitude like you presented yourself with you would not get a dime from me. Obviously, you have much to learn.

I would encourage others not to respond to his post. It appears that his profile is over-inflated and giving him attention is exactly what he is looking for. One with the alleged experience he has would present themself in a more mature and educated manner.
 

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