Will Air Integration in dive computers replace the SPG?

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So the guy with SAC 26Lpm and 18L tanks turns first, expecting the guy with SAC 14Lpm and 12L tanks to be able to get him to the exit in an air-share.

Yep... No need to plan anything... except a funeral.
Excuse me Andy, I usually really like your posts but this is absolute and utter BS and you must know that. I too have worked as a full-time instructor for several years.
When the guys with the high sac rate turns, the teams turns and is obviously not far from the boat at this point. Also, any proper dive operation/instructor is going to pair people up so 20l sac people and 14l sac people are not in the same group.
You sit down with people on a tourist boat to plan a 50' reef dive, taking into consideration each persons sac rate? Don't be rediculous, seriously. Most OWD customers in the typical places like Thailand and Egypt don't even know their sac rate.
 
Big diff: "Thumbs Down" can't be seen outside this community. W&C could.
Uh, negative on that Low Rider... :D W&C was never visible outside of the SB community. Some people complained about the name, so we accommodated them in that regard. There were no legal threats associated with the name change.
 
@dmoore19
I've said this a bunch of times already. Computers have useful feature, AI does nothing a SPG can't do. That's why computers have caught on BIG TIME in the last 20 years but AI hasn't caught to the same extent because nobody needs ot. It's so obvious.
 
Yep... No need to plan anything... except a funeral.
Yet another "you're gonna die" statement. We've just been FIGJAMmed!
 
Again, it doesn't take away from the fact that 5 years ago the same kind of things were being said about computers and their usefulness.

In another 5 years who knows what technology will be around.

@dmoore19
I've said this a bunch of times already. Computers have useful feature, AI does nothing a SPG can't do. That's why computers have caught on BIG TIME in the last 20 years but AI hasn't caught to the same extent because nobody needs ot. It's so obvious.
 
Again, it doesn't take away from the fact that 5 years ago the same kind of things were being said about computers and their usefulness.

In another 5 years who knows what technology will be around.
Andy's re-writing that history for us. According to him, they've always accepted PDCs as a viable means to conduct a dive.
 
Again, it doesn't take away from the fact that 5 years ago the same kind of things were being said about computers and their usefulness.

In another 5 years who knows what technology will be around.

There will always be certain divers who will say no. But you are trying to negate the fact that computers offer a tremendous amount of information for its increased risk vs that of AI which offers very little to the current or foreseeable future for its complexity and issues.There just is not that much information in gas pressure that will change what it can offer. A dive computer brings the entire dive planning ability to one's arm. AI offers the same pressure information as an SPG. Little more can be gleaned. It can get a SAC rate. Maybe allow for information on temp/depth vs SAC but not much more. The information in a log may look nice but honestly from the AI use I have had, I have not changed my diving one drop from any of the specific AI information gained. The only useful information I have found from AI is the ATR information on a recreational dive. Maybe one day it can offer solid state monitoring of gas information which may change this dynamic but the current offerings and foreseeable offerings do not improve on SPGs for a technical diver. Once the information/advantages become more important then the increased risks/issues then it may become significant in the dive equipment of technical divers. I think it has a while before we see a paradigm shift in what AI offers.

From a technical side, there just is not much information needed. We are not going to suddenly change plans because our SAC rate got better during part of our dive. We are going to stick to our plan. Our plan has either a turn pressure or dive time a rather simplistic approach that works.
 
...//... W&C was never visible outside of the SB community.
I say it was.

I often use Google search for searching all things ScubaBoard. IMHO, Google is better at going back into the past. I'm certain that your IT support can verify the change in visibility for you.
...//...There were no legal threats associated with the name change.
Please re-read what I wrote.
Here is the legal threat:
http://www.undercurrent.org/UCnow/dive_magazine/2010/DiveOperator201004.html
And, as I am aware, W&C was changed to TD because W&C couldn't be altered as to its visibility. The intent was to prevent such a melt-down from happening again. I have no problem with the decision either. I think that it was wise.

Log off, go to "Community" then "Community Forums". You won't see "Thumbs Down".

This is no big deal to me, but since you called me on it...
 
No, I am not trying to do anything of the sort.

I am pointing out that 5 years ago some of the same folks who claimed computers were devils spawn are saying the same thing about AI.




There will always be certain divers who will say no. But you are trying to negate the fact that computers offer a tremendous amount of information for its increased risk vs that of AI which offers very little to the current or foreseeable future for its complexity and issues.There just is not that much information in gas pressure that will change what it can offer. A dive computer brings the entire dive planning ability to one's arm. AI offers the same pressure information as an SPG. Little more can be gleaned. It can get a SAC rate. Maybe allow for information on temp/depth vs SAC but not much more. The information in a log may look nice but honestly from the AI use I have had, I have not changed my diving one drop from any of the specific AI information gained. The only useful information I have found from AI is the ATR information on a recreational dive. Maybe one day it can offer solid state monitoring of gas information which may change this dynamic but the current offerings and foreseeable offerings do not improve on SPGs for a technical diver. Once the information/advantages become more important then the increased risks/issues then it may become significant in the dive equipment of technical divers. I think it has a while before we see a paradigm shift in what AI offers.

From a technical side, there just is not much information needed. We are not going to suddenly change plans because our SAC rate got better during part of our dive. We are going to stick to our plan. Our plan has either a turn pressure or dive time a rather simplistic approach that works.
 

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