Why not DIR ?

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What my Fundies instructor said, when specifically asked, "Well, should I not dive with non-DIR divers, then?" was this: "No. That would not be reasonable or desirable. However, I would be more careful about WHAT kind of dive I did with a non-DIR diver."

I think (and this is my opinion and not anything quoted from a GUE representative) that anybody from GUE would agree that having a unified team and standardized equipment, gases and procedures becomes MORE important as the dives get more aggressive. For the dive I did today, where we never got deeper than 60fsw and we were only in the water 40 minutes, having standardized procedures just makes it more relaxed, and having standardized equipment probably isn't going to come into play at all -- if anything fails, you just thumb the dive. But I try to dive the way I was taught in Fundies on every dive, because ingraining the behaviors will make them solid when I get to anything more ambitious.

Why not DIR? If you're the kind of person who stubbornly has to "do it his own way", this is not for you. If you don't like instruction that pushes you to the failure point, this is not for you. (Fundies is humbling for almost everybody.) You can be quite content to be safely competent and aspire to nothing more -- then this is not for you (btw, I tried REALLY hard to phrase that so it wasn't implying that there is anything wrong with safely competent.) If you are really wedded to the gear you dive, this is probably not for you.

And I think what may be most important -- if you are the solo diver type, firmly determined to be completely self-sufficient and expect anybody you dive with to be the same, then you won't fit in the DIR ethos. The idea of the unified team, shared resources, and looking out for one another, is one of the things I like most about the DIR teaching I got. But for some people, that approach just doesn't work.
 
I can understand DIR divers not doing technical cave dives with untrained divers but would they not dive with experienced divers in open water? I understand you thought about "safety competent" but many non DIR diver do aspire to be better in all categories including safety.
Some of your decriptions, and I quote, "the kind of person that stubbornly has to do it his own way" and "the solo diver type, firmly determined to be completely self sufficient and expect anybody you dive with to be the same" do not fit the normal recreational diver.
I think fundies is a great course, as I posted before. A Fundies class does not make one DIR but can help make you a safer diver and teach you skills you can use in whatever type of diving you do. You can then decide if you want to go on to more of the real Tech training.
 
Oh, they DO dive with other divers in open water. They dove with ME, when I was hopeless. They're just careful about the amount of risk they assume with divers who don't share the same training and procedures.

It's quite possible to aspire to superb skills and not be DIR. But you aren't going to enjoy DIR training UNLESS you aspire to superb skills, because it's really hard.
 
Diver Dennis:
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Some of your decriptions, like "the kind of person that stubbornly has to do it his own way" and "the solo diver type, firmly determined to be completely self sufficient and expect anybody you dive with to be the same" do not fit the normal recreational diver...
Uh oh, a generalization that is not intended to categorize GUE divers. Must be a typo ;)
 
yes. I follow but the way you phased "stubbornly" surprised me a bit.

the thing I question, is safer better? Optimizing safety, at recreational depths has some major trade-offs.

But, I salivate at the prospect of an interesting thread......
 
Yep, don't discourage honest communication - keep it coming! This certainly has been an interesting thread.

I feel a bit like stubborn old Copernicus, but proudly personally. I've never been any good at conformity or politics (perhaps a generalization of "nerd" could be apllied to me - see my self description below my pseudonym) - but I have a long history for thinking creatively, with safety uppermost. And I have no problems with "showing my work". This applies to my largely outside of scuba life as well.

To each his / her / its own (my diversity training showing through).:D
 
Ok my popcorn is gone.

First, I would like to say that I am interested in pursuing DIR, and have a lot of respect for DIR divers. Most welcome me to dive with them and I'm a full-blown rec diver with Air2 and jacket BC (at least I don't have split fins, lol!). Some of my funnest dives have been with DIR divers.

Why did GUE name it DIR? This implies that everyone else is doing it wrong. GUE is obviously made up of intelligent people who carefully selected that name. Why did they choose a name that is inflammatory?

Earlier in the thread I read that GUE frowns on pony bottles. In looking at the DIR rig, I don't see any first stage redundancy at all. Why would they frown on a piece of equipment that adds safety through redundancy?

How much will it cost to take a DIR-F course, just for the coursework and dives?

Thanks,
 
wetrat:
Why did GUE name it DIR? This implies that everyone else is doing it wrong. GUE is obviously made up of intelligent people who carefully selected that name. Why did they choose a name that is inflammatory?
Probably because those who were "doing it their way" kept dying in those deep cave explorations they were doing....
 

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