Why do computers rot the brain?

[The Iceni]

Hi Uncle Pug,

Can I throw this into the pot?

Closed circuit rebreather divers have to rely on IT to keep them alive.

Not being rebreather qualified I am not really qualified to say if this does happen but I have been lead to believe they must monitor their (computerised) gauges almost constantly.

Does this improve their situational awareness or are these divers diving "blind"?

 

[Soggy]

Uncle Pug once bubbled...

Aaron: you may indeed be a safer diver using a computer than not... but it isn't because you are thinking more... you are letting the computer think for you... and if you were not such a fine fellow you could very well be less safe as many folk do indeed ride the *0*.

I agree that this may be true...the computer will allow you to not think as much (such as doing algebra underwater). To be perfectly honest, I don't think that's a bad thing. Computers, unless there is a bug in the software, don't make mistakes...my brain does. I'd much rather have the computer calculate my SCR for me to use underwater and give me just the important information (the result) than make mistakes myself.

I understand why tech divers don't use computers much...those dives have to be planned to a much higher level than your average recreational dive and the computer may second guess your decisions which you spent substantial time figuring out, thereby not helping you.

 

[AquaTec]

AquaTec once bubbled...
the original question was "why do computers rot your brain" so maybe I assumed that if you where not using a computer you would be using tables. the refference was made to DIR. but I think that is irrelevent....well except they are the only ones teaching that computers should not be used.

I am just wondering what is the advantage of not using a computer.

"computers will rot your brain is a favourite quote of Uncle Pug's and as usual he side stepped the questions i had and then logged off. This is an old debate of ours and I love rehashing it.



I would love to hear more about this one. I beleive I have a good understanding of decompression and how it works, tell me more about the simple rules of thumb that will allow me to throw away my tables and computer

my original quote how is this anything to do with tech diving

 

[Uncle Pug]

Dr Paul Thomas once bubbled...
Can I throw this into the pot?

ut:

 

[SCUBAMedic]

Uncle Pug once bubbled...

Cheesy: whining about being sick and tired of a thread you chose to read.

If you are sick and tired go to bed... or at least learn to read thread titles and stay away from the ones that make you sick and tired....

Sheesh... somebody really needs to learn situational awareness.

Good point about going to bed - but just sometimes someone might have a valid point to make - you never know.


[/B][/QUOTE] Sure it is. Ask anyone who has ever been diving with me. [/B][/QUOTE]

And that would be what percentage of the worlds diving population?

 

[AquaTec]

so PUG you pick the diving enviroment that you would like these questions applied to..then answer them for me.

1 - How does using a computer rot your brain.
2 - why are tables better than a computer
3 - what do you do if your bottom time is accidently exceeded...say doubled
4 - what do you do if your depth is accidently exceeded say by 50 feet
5 - your quote

Aquatec: what you fail to realize is that most recreational divers think that while computers are fine for recreational divers... technical divers need to use tables. .

where did i indicate that i failed to realize this. you are right recrational divers who know nothing of technical diving do have misconseptions about technical diving

what i do realize is that most technical divers see the advantage of computers [except DIR] but we are not talking about tech here.

just focus on the first four questions and lets see where it leads us. remember this is in regards to recreational diving only. so as not to rot your brain with any bigger pictures

 

[AquaTec]

this is off topic so i have put it in a new reply

just so i know in the future, where in this thread was it decided that the original question that computers will rot your brain should be for recreational diving only.

if we have a section dedicated to diving computers is it not for questions relating to computers regardless of how they are used.

I don't want to cause grief to some by moving off a topic but i understood this one to simply be about computers and the negative effects on your brain.

maybe this should be move to diving medicine.

I ask the regulators to explain how i can better understand the limitations of a thread about gear

 

[Uncle Pug]

AquaTec once bubbled...
my original quote how is this anything to do with tech diving

That isn't your original quote now is it. It was a subsequent post you made in which you claimed that as usual I sidestepped and then logged off.

Well I spend a lot of time on this board answering questions, responding to PMs, emails and even phone calls from board members. And I really don't mind doing that. I even enjoy it when they pay a visit to go diving.

However you just want to argue Doug... you even admit as much. If you really were sincere then I wouldn't have problem answering you at all... in fact the invitation for you to come down still stands if you really are interested.

As for the details of how it is that DIR divers can do dives without reference to computers or tables that is not something appropriate to put out on the board (though I have posted hints to pique folks interest. ) You can learn this in the fundamentals class.... but they will make you learn some skills before they will let you in on the shortcut stuff.

Coincidentally I just had a PM from a board member who completed a DIRf and asked me if it could really be so simple... I answered, "It works for me."

 

[AquaTec]

AquaTec once bubbled...
The bottom line is you should dive with what ever you are comfortable with, I do find it strange that DIR does not reconize the advantages of computers, but so what, dive tables work well even if they are very limited.

I have a couple of questions for PUG or any other table user.

in my example we will use a dive to 200 feet requiring a long deco profile.

1 - what if your profile changes dramaticly durring the dive. say your bottom time doubles or your depth becomes deeper by say 40 feet. obviously this is due to some sort of unexpected situation.

2 - What about exploration, say a wreck dive or any dive where your acual profile will vary throughout the dive.

I am obviously asking these questions because i think computers offer a great advantage here. it is not to set you up, it is to understand your/DIR's view pionts on how tables can have the advantage.

My original post...as i pointed out here, i am not trying to set you up or argue....i just had some simple questions...which you are still side stepping or avoiding to delve into by turning it into me trying to argue. i am just pursuing information.

I assumed you used tables if not computers and i assumed that this was a thread about computers not limited to recreational diving.

in subsiquant posts i have removed those peramitors that you found offensive in this original post.

I am not trying to argue with you, you are loudly opposed to the use of computers. probably for good reasons and i am just trying to find out what those reasons are.

you have done everything possible to divert the questions into something less than what they are, simple questions.

as for you claim of not sidestepping an issue, we have gone down this path before. it is typical of when i back you in a corner with common since. I respect you and your oppinion and see you as a valuable asset to this board. I am not trying to discredit you in any way. I just find it funny to watch you squirm when i ask question that makes since yet is not part of the DIR phylosiphy.

I ask all those who are following this thread to strat with my post quoted above and follow yours and my responses and then tell me if i am being argumentative or just trying to find an answer. and also to let you know if you are adressing the issue or side stepping it.

 

[Uncle Pug]

AquaTec once bubbled...
just so i know in the future, where in this thread was it decided that the original question that computers will rot your brain should be for recreational diving only.

First post contained a clue at the beginning and the end:
"I'm still a newbie" and "help a new diver understand "