DIR- GUE Why are non-GUE divers so interested in what GUE does?

[larsdennert]

DIR GUE takes time, effort and money. Some people aren't willing to do one or all of them. However anyone who manages take even some steps in that direction will become a better diver despite not understanding why certain things are the way they are.

 

[NW Dive Dawg]

It's pretty interesting to me to see many people being super interested in what GUE does. How they set up the equipment, what the standards are, why gue does something, and then never perusing training with GUE.

So if you're not GUE trained and you're constantly trying to figure out what and why GUE does something, why?

I most definitely did not read all 500 posts on this thread so am jumping in at the end. My question would be.......... Why would GUE or DIR folks worry at all about what Non- GUE or DIR folks choose to do?

 

[boulderjohn]

I most definitely did not read all 500 posts on this thread so am jumping in at the end. My question would be.......... Why would GUE or DIR folks worry at all about what Non- GUE or DIR folks choose to do?

A former member of ScubaBoard, Dan Volker, was a the heart of the early DIR days. He is one of the 3 people in the famous video with George Irvine. As he explained it in a thread before he was banned, he, Irvine, Bill Mee, and others decided that the DIR approach was so important that the word needed to be spread to the rest of the diving community. According to Volker, he was specifically given the job of spreading the word within the recreational community.

Some of that effort is still active in the diving community. For example, here is a live link to one of Dan's messages to the faithful. It is one of his milder missives. Note that he tells DIR divers

Try to dive only with people you know are safe, and who dive the same procedures and configurations you do. If you are "stuck" with someone you see gearing up badly, with a poor configuration, try a good natured explanation of why the "Doing it Right" system would have him/her configured differently. Perhaps you can get them safer on this dive.​

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

I most definitely did not read all 500 posts on this thread so am jumping in at the end. My question would be.......... Why would GUE or DIR folks worry at all about what Non- GUE or DIR folks choose to do?

They DGAF. They do get annoyed at badgering.

A former member of ScubaBoard, Dan Volker, was a the heart of the early DIR days. He is one of the 3 people in the famous video with George Irvine. As he explained it in a thread before he was banned, he, Irvine, Bill Mee, and others decided that the DIR approach was so important that the word needed to be spread to the rest of the diving community. According to Volker, he was specifically given the job of spreading the word within the recreational community.

Some of that effort is still active in the diving community. For example, here is a live link to one of Dan's messages to the faithful. It is one of his milder missives. Note that he tells DIR divers

Try to dive only with people you know are safe, and who dive the same procedures and configurations you do. If you are "stuck" with someone you see gearing up badly, with a poor configuration, try a good natured explanation of why the "Doing it Right" system would have him/her configured differently. Perhaps you can get them safer on this dive.​

For technical diving that looks reasonable to me. Now I'm not on a GUE JJ configuration so I'm excluded as well (won't dive OC trimix anymore where I would be in a GUE setup).

I have no problem with that. Dive with them requires diving their system. Simple as that.

 

[beester]

I see a lot of chest thumping in most of these older DIR posts. A lot of EGO, but then again some of these dives did dives that allow a bit of chest thumping.

However the DIR vibe always gives me a bad taste in the mouth... and this from someone who is really a commited GUE diver. But I'm also sad that these old stories are repeated time and time again to proof that we are an religious sect of elitist assholes. Maybe we are but let us than proof that on our own merrits, not those of some f**kers from 20 years ago.

Cheers all.

 

[kensuf]

A former member of ScubaBoard, Dan Volker, was a the heart of the early DIR days. He is one of the 3 people in the famous video with George Irvine.

Which famous video is that? Doing it Right?

 

[boulderjohn]

For technical diving that looks reasonable to me.

As I said I the post, Dan said he was specifically task with getting DIR divers to spread the word in the recreational community. The essay to which I linked specifically said that.

 

[boulderjohn]

Which famous video is that? Doing it Right?

I just took a quick look and couldn't find it. It was about an hour long, and it featured George Irvine, Dan Volker and (IIRC) Bill Mee sitting down and talking about DIR. I think there were actually a couple versions. One of them (which I did not see) supposedly shows more of George than one would normally expect.

I was required to watch it in my DIR student days.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

As I said I the post, Dan said he was specifically task with getting DIR divers to spread the word in the recreational community. The essay to which I linked specifically said that.

And how long ago was this? How is that relevant today? This is like the ex girlfriend (there's a reason she's the ex) who keeps bringing up things from months ago.

It isn't possible for me to care less what GUE/DIR folks did in the past.

What is interesting to me is to learn more about their system for OC on how I can dive more safely and more skillfully and for CC understand the dramatic differences for their JJ configuration, both good and bad. I just lack the background there to form my own opinion.

 

[PfcAJ]

I just took a quick look and couldn't find it. It was about an hour long, and it featured George Irvine, Dan Volker and (IIRC) Bill Mee sitting down and talking about DIR. I think there were actually a couple versions. One of them (which I did not see) supposedly shows more of George than one would normally expect.

I was required to watch it in my DIR student days.

DIR 1 is the wang and jang video.